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Title: SCA-Assembly - 2011-02-01


   
   
      
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         - DRAFT -
         Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference
         01 FEB 2011
         Attendees
Present

  Eric Wells
  Hitachi, Ltd.
  Group Member

  Bryan Aupperle
  IBM
  Group Member

  David Booz
  IBM
  Group Member

  Mike Edwards
  IBM
  Group Member

  Diane Jordan
  IBM
  Group Member

  Mike Kaiser
  IBM
  Group Member

  Peter Niblett
  IBM
  Group Member

  Martin Chapman
  Oracle Corporation
  Group Member

  Anish Karmarkar
  Oracle Corporation
  Group Member

  Rich Levinson
  Oracle Corporation
  Group Member

  Ashok Malhotra
  Oracle Corporation
  Group Member

  Gilbert Pilz
  Oracle Corporation
  Group Member

  Eric Johnson
  TIBCO Software Inc.
  Group Member

  Danny van der Rijn
  TIBCO Software Inc.
  Group Member

         Chairs
         
            

               Martin Chapman
               
               
            

            

               Mike Edwards
               
               
            

         
         Scribe
         
            

               Eric Wells
               
               
            

         
         Agenda:1. Intro 

Roll call 
Scribe confirmation 
Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting 

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/40954/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-01-25.html 

3. Action Items 

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227 
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained
         in wsra 

4. TC Administrivia 

a) Assembly CSD07 status 

5. Open Issues (1.1) 

None 

6. New Issues (1.2) 

ASSEMBLY-253: Must a global domain channel be deployed before it can be used? 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253 

ASSEMBLY-254: Names of channels should allow "/" character, and should be declared as URIs.... 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-254 

7. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2) 

ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250 

Proposal in JIRA 
Follow on discussion from previous meeting 

Latest discussion: 

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00041.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00030.html 

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227 

Proposal 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc 

Latest discussions: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00023.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00022.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00021.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00020.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00019.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00017.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00016.html 

ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL 1.1 mapping 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235 

Latest discussion: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00030.html 

ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239 

Latest discussion: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00033.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00035.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00034.html 

ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233 

No Proposal 

ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable? 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243 

No proposal 

ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244 

Outline proposal in JIRA 

ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245 

Proposal in JIRA 

ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246 

Proposal in JIRA 

ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes? 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247 

No proposal 

ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248 

No proposal 

8. AOB
      

      
      

         Contents
         
            Topics 
            
            [1] 
               Opening
            
            [2] 
               Action Items
            
            [3] 
               Administrivia
            
            [4] 
               New Issues
            
            [5] 
               ASSEMBLY-253: Must a global domain channel be deployed before it can be used?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253
            [6] 
               ASSEMBLY-254 - Names of channels should allow "/" character, and should be declared as URIs.... 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-254
            [7] 
               Existing Issues (1.2)
            
            [8] 
               ASSEMBLY-239: Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239
            [9] 
               AOB
            
            Table of Resolutions
            Table of Action Items
         
      

      
      

         Action Items
         
            Pending:
            id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
            
            id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra
            
            New:
            id=2011-02-01-1 status=pending owner="EricJ" Create proposal for ASSEMBLY-239
            
            id=2011-02-01-2 status=pending owner="PeterN" Create proposal for ASSEMBLY-239
            
         
      

      
      

         Resolutions
         
            
2011-02-01-1: Minutes of 2011-01-25 accepted w/o
            

            
2011-02-01-2: Open ASSEMBLY-253 with change of name to "Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2" w/o
            

         
      

      
      

         Minutes
         

            
 Scribe: Eric Wells

         

         

            Opening
         

         

            

            
Roll Call 11/19 = 57%

         

         

            

            
Quorate - but not sifficient for new 1.1 issues, 1.2 new issues OK (>50%)

         

         

            

            
Agenda - agreed as posted

         

         

            

            
Minutes of 2011-01-25

         

         

            

            
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/40954/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-01-25.html

         

         
Resolution: Minutes of 2011-01-25 accepted w/o
         

         

            

            
GilP noted for roll

         

         

            Action Items
         

         
 Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
         

         
 Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained
            in wsra
         

         

            

            
No changes to actions status

         

         

            Administrivia
         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Not sure of status of CSD07 - not heard anythig probably backlogged in OASIS admin

         

         

            
 

            
...will follow up to check

         

         

            New Issues
         

         

            

            
None for 1.1. For 1.2...

         

         

            ASSEMBLY-253: Must a global domain channel be deployed before it can be used?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253
         

         

            
EricJ:

            
Introduces new issue

         

         

            

            
Summary - no normative statements to say if global domain channel can be used before deployment

         

         

            
MartinC:

            
Can something be used before deployment?

         

         

            
EricJ:

            
E-mail from PeterN $ follow up clarifies

         

         

            

            
AnishK noted for roll

         

         

            

            
DannyV noted for roll

         

         

            
 <anish> 

            
isn't that like saying, why do I need to declare variables before I use it?

         

         

            
DannyV:

            
GDC ONLY has a name - if referenced in some composite why have to declare it elsewhre also?

         

         

            
 <MartinC> 

            
I agree with Danny, however anish's point about typos is a very real concern

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Channel has more than name (not discussed too much so far) so needs (possibly) configuration

         

         

            
 

            
...also dynamic runtimes may allow deployment of channels post deployment but prior to use

         

         

            
 <MartinC> 

            
mike does that current spec say what you just said

         

         

            
 <MartinC> 

            
?

         

         

            

            
PetereN: Seems may be discussing proposal not opening issue

         

         

            
 

            
...actually two issues

         

         

            
 

            
...1) spec is not clear on need for definition of channel

         

         

            
 

            
...2) Autocreation of channel is related but separate issue

         

         

            
EricJ:

            
Can't really separate issues

         

         

            
 

            
...how to handle reference to channel that hasn't been created?

         

         
Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-253 m=EricJ s=DannyV
         

         

            
PeterN:

            
Propose chaning name to include autocreation of channels

         

         
Amendment: Change title of ASSEMBLY-253 to "Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2" m=PeterN s= MartinC
         

         

            

            
Discussion of amendment

         

         

            
DannyV:

            
Don't think opening issue implies autocreation - that is part of proposal not issue

         

         

            
PeterN:

            
Wanted to focus on autocreation to address EricJ's concern

         

         

            
 

            
...if we don't include autocreation then will have to open another issue anyway

         

         

            

            
amendment accepted w/o

         

         
Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-253 with change of name to "Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2"
         

         

            

            
no further discussion - no objection

         

         
Resolution: Open ASSEMBLY-253 with change of name to "Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2" w/o
         

         

            ASSEMBLY-254 - Names of channels should allow "/" character, and should be declared as URIs.... 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-254
         

         

            
EricJ:

            
Introduces new issue

         

         

            
 

            
...Allow "/" in name of GDC to construct hierarcy of channels

         

         

            
PeterN:

            
Spec not inconsistent at present - in section 10

         

         

            
 

            
...real issue is "heirachy of channels" - should discuss this and not avoid issue

         

         

            
 

            
...can't just slide issue in by allowing "/"

         

         

            
MartinC:

            
Channels are flat and not hierarchical - can't add an implicit hierarcy that doesn't exist in specs

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Channels naming convention is same as component - can't have hierarchy of components or channels

         

         

            
AnishK:

            
+1 to Peter - don't think we should consider hierarchical channels at present

         

         

            
 

            
...there are alternatives to "/" if that is necessary

         

         

            
EricJ:

            
People can use other characters to indicate (user defined) hierarchy - doesn't seem reasonable to prohibit "/"

         

         

            
 <anish> 

            
this would be a problem wrt external attachments

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Proposal would imply "/" has same "properties" in (e.g.) URI's

         

         

            

            
MartiC: This is discussion of proposal

         

         
Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-254 m=EricJ: s=DannyV
         

         

            
PeterN:

            
For sake of possible future compatibility shouldn't allow "/"

         

         

            
AnishK:

            
Using "/" here is inconsistnet with usage elsewhere in spec

         

         

            

            
Objection to motion - vote called

         

         

            

            
For - 1, Against - 8, Abstain - 1

         

         

            

            
motion fails  ASSEMBLY-254 closed

         

         

            Existing Issues (1.2)
         

         

            ASSEMBLY-239: Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239
         

         

            
 <Mike Edwards> 

            
Latest discussion:

         

         

            
 <Mike Edwards> 

            
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00034.html

         

         

            

            
EricJ & PeterN have discussed but come to impass - need wider discussion

         

         

            
 <anish> 

            
time check

         

         

            
PeterN:

            
Summarizes issue and discussion

         

         

            
EricW:

            
Time is 8:59AM PST

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Asking for members to vote on one or other proposal?

         

         
 Action: Create proposal for ASSEMBLY-239 owner=EricJ
         

         
 Action: Create proposal for ASSEMBLY-239 owner=PeterN
         

         

            AOB
         

         

            

            
Straggeler roll

         

         

            

            
GilP AnishK DannyV

         

         

            
 <MartinC> 

            
Roll is fixed: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/events.php?day=1296558000

         

         

            
 <MartinC> 

            
thanks EricW

         

         

            

            
COB 9:02AM PST

         

      

      

         
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