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Minutes of 2011-04-05 for Review
All,
My apologies I thought I sent these
out last week - and sorry if your were inconvenienced by today’s “non-call”.
Best Regards,
Eric.
Eric Wells
Consulting Engineer
Hitachi Computer Products (America)
Inc.
Cell: +1 415 672 2594
Title: SCA-Assembly - 2011-04-05
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Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference
05 APR 2011
Attendees
Present
Eric WellsHitachi, Ltd.Group Member
Bryan AupperleIBMGroup Member
David BoozIBMGroup Member
Mike EdwardsIBMGroup Member
Diane JordanIBMGroup Member
Mike KaiserIBMGroup Member
Peter NiblettIBMGroup Member
Jim MarinoIndividualGroup Member
Jeff EstefanJet Propulsion Laboratory:*Group Member
Martin ChapmanOracle CorporationGroup Member
Anish KarmarkarOracle CorporationGroup Member
Rich LevinsonOracle CorporationGroup Member
Ashok MalhotraOracle CorporationGroup Member
Jeff MischkinskyOracle CorporationGroup Member
Gilbert PilzOracle CorporationGroup Member
Plamen PavlovSAP AG*Group Member
Eric JohnsonTIBCO Software Inc.Group Member
Danny van der RijnTIBCO Software Inc.Group Member
Chairs
Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards
Scribe
Eric Wells
Agenda:1. Intro
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41666/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-03-29.html
3. Action Items
id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained
in wsra
4. TC Administrivia
Need to cancel meeting of 12th April as both chairs involved in a F2F meeting.
5. Exit Criteria
The TC needs to adopt concrete exit criteria.
Consider how to move this forward
6 1.1 Specification Open Issues
ASSEMBLY 261: (v1.1) Upgrade ASM12017, ASM12030, ASM14004 be mandatory statements
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-261
Proposal in JIRA
Discussion here:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201104/msg00000.html
6. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239
Alternate proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html
6. New Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-257: Global domain channels creation inconsistent with pattern established by definitions.xml
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-257
ASSEMBLY-258: Section 11 of spec should be marked non-normative
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-258
ASSEMBLY-259: Some way to "late bind" references to global domain channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-259
7. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-253: Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253
Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00056.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00055.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00054.html
ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250
Proposal in JIRA
Follow on discussion from previous meeting
Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00041.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00030.html
ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227
Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc
Latest discussions:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00023.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00022.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00020.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00019.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00017.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00016.html
ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL 1.1 mapping
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235
Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00079.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00078.html
ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233
No Proposal
ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243
No proposal
ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244
Outline proposal in JIRA
ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245
Proposal in JIRA
ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246
Proposal in JIRA
ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247
No proposal
ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248
No proposal
8. AOB
Contents
Topics
[1]
Opening
[2]
Approval of Minutes
[3]
Action Items
[4]
Administrivia
[5]
Exit Criteria
[6]
1.1 Open Issues
[7]
ASSEMBLY 261: (v1.1) Upgrade ASM12017, ASM12030, ASM14004 be mandatory statements
[8]
1.2 Open Issues
[9]
ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
[10]
AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items
Action Items
Pending:
id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra
New:
id=2011-04-05-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Clean up references to Test Cases in spec (1.1 and 1.2 changes non-normative)
id=2011-04-05-2 status=pending owner="MikeE;" Raise issue for changes to TA & TC docs required by ASSEMBLY-260, etc
Resolutions
2011-04-05-1: Minutes of 2011-03-29 approved w/o
2011-04-05-2: Meeting of 2011-04-12 cancelled w/o
2011-04-05-3: ASSEMBLY-261 is resolved with updated proposals for 12017, 14004 and original proposal for 12030 w/o
Minutes
Scribe: Eric Wells
Opening
<MartinC >
is bob going to dial in from Aruba;-)
<Mike Edwards>
Are we going to hear the splashing of waves & the chink of glasses??
Roll call - 15/22 = 68%
Agenda accepted as posted
Approval of Minutes
Revised minutes from 2011-03-29
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41666/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-03-29.html
Resolution: Minutes of 2011-03-29 approved w/o
Action Items
Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained
in wsra
No changes to status
Administrivia
Chairs not available for 2011-04-12
Resolution: Meeting of 2011-04-12 cancelled w/o
MartinC:
Notes meeting of 2011-04-26 has also been cancelled
Exit Criteria
Not discussed
MikeE:
Encourages TC to discuss on E-mail list
1.1 Open Issues
ASSEMBLY 261: (v1.1) Upgrade ASM12017, ASM12030, ASM14004 be mandatory statements
Proposal in JIRA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-261
Discussion here:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201104/msg00000.html
MartinC:
Reviews "service unavailable fault"
...reverses proposal for 12017
...without extensive review of impact on bindings (& subsequent revision) can't really be made mandatory
MikeE:
Java spec has a "service unavailable" exception, which could be used
MartinC:
But not available in other language specs, so not required
BryanA:
C/C++ spec is difficult to include specific faults for all clients
MikeE:
Observes a WSDL definition should be enough to completely specify
...not suggesting that this is done (for 1.1) but could be (for 1.2)
Updated proposal in JIRA
Changed proposals for 12017, 14004
MartinC:
Just need to remove last para of section 11.2
...This also removes 14003, which is incorrect
MikeE:
Section 11.1 & 14005 cover all situations anyway
MartinC:
Resolution for ASSEMBLY-260 (last meeting) also removes 14001 & 14002
...Section then just becomes explanitory (apart from 14005)
DannyV noted for roll
DannyV:
Would like Assembly spec to clearly specify fault even if language specs don't handle it
MartinC:
Could expand section 11 (later) but too much work to do a proper job for 1.1
Motion: Resolve ASSEMBLY-261 with updated proposal in JIRA (2nd for 12017, 14004) & remove last para of 11.2 14003 m=MartinC s=AnishK
EricJ:
12030 seems definitional rather than really normative
<Mike Edwards>
motion includes the original proposal for ASM12030
MartinC:
A SHOULD in 12030 makes no sense at all - upgrading to a MUST seemed more sensible
No further discussion - No objections
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-261 is resolved with updated proposals for 12017, 14004 and original proposal for 12030 w/o
<anish>
+1 to merging TAs and TCs
Discussion regarding impact on TA's & TC's
BryanA:
Do TA's, TC's and spec reference each other appropriately?
MikeE:
Not in current CD of spec
<anish>
the TC doc does reference the zip file in the related works section on the front page
Action: Clean up references to Test Cases in spec (1.1 and 1.2 changes non-normative) owner=Editors
Action: Raise issue for changes to TA & TC docs required by ASSEMBLY-260, etc owner=MikeE;
1.2 Open Issues
ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239
<anish>
don't we need peter for this issue?
PeterN:
Reviews the two alternate proposals
PeterN noted for roll
Alternate proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html
PeterN:
To summarize - do we want a "." in the name and do we need to allow more than one filter type?
...e.g. would we be ever go to XPath2 and want to do this without making any other changes
<MartinC >
TIME Gentlemen
EricJ:
Need directional guidance before making any progress
TIME GENTS
PeterN:
Please review for next meeting
MartinC:
Could Peter and/or Eric summarize to E-mail list
<Mike Edwards>
Many thanks for scribing Eric
AOB
Straggler Roll - DannyV JimM PeterN
Roll is at: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=30261
COB 9:02AM PDT
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