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Draft Minutes of 2011-04-19 for review
All,
Please find attached the minutes for today’s
telecon for review.
Best Regards,
Eric.
Eric Wells
Consulting Engineer
Hitachi Computer Products (America)
Inc.
Cell: +1 415 672 2594
Title: SCA-Assembly - 2011-04-19
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Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference
19 APR 2011
Attendees
Present
Robert FreundHitachi, Ltd.Group Member
Eric WellsHitachi, Ltd.Group Member
Bryan AupperleIBMGroup Member
David BoozIBMGroup Member
Mike EdwardsIBMGroup Member
Diane JordanIBMGroup Member
Mike KaiserIBMGroup Member
Jim MarinoIndividualGroup Member
Jeff EstefanJet Propulsion Laboratory:*Group Member
Martin ChapmanOracle CorporationGroup Member
Anish KarmarkarOracle CorporationGroup Member
Rich LevinsonOracle CorporationGroup Member
Jeff MischkinskyOracle CorporationGroup Member
Sanjay PatilSAP AG*Group Member
Plamen PavlovSAP AG*Group Member
Eric JohnsonTIBCO Software Inc.Group Member
Chairs
Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards
Scribe
Eric Wells
Agenda:1. Intro
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41866/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-04-05.html
3. Action Items
id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained
in wsra
4. TC Administrivia
Meeting of April 26 is cancelled.
5. Exit Criteria
The TC needs to adopt concrete exit criteria.
Consider how to move this forward
6. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239
Alternate proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html
7. New Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-257: Global domain channels creation inconsistent with pattern established by definitions.xml
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-257
ASSEMBLY-258: Section 11 of spec should be marked non-normative
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-258
ASSEMBLY-259: Some way to "late bind" references to global domain channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-259
8. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-253: Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253
Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00056.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00055.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00054.html
ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250
Proposal in JIRA
Follow on discussion from previous meeting
Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00041.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00030.html
ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227
Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc
Latest discussions:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00023.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00022.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00020.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00019.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00017.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00016.html
ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL 1.1 mapping
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235
Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00079.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00078.html
ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233
No Proposal
ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243
No proposal
ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244
Outline proposal in JIRA
ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245
Proposal in JIRA
ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246
Proposal in JIRA
ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247
No proposal
ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248
No proposal
9. AOB
Contents
Topics
[1]
Opening
[2]
Approval of minutes
[3]
Action Items
[4]
Administrivia
[5]
Exit Criteria
[6]
Open Issues (1.2)
[7]
ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
[8]
New Issues (1.2)
[9]
ASSEMBLY-257: Global domain channels creation inconsistent with pattern established by definitions.xml
[10]
ASSEMBLY-258: Section 11 of spec should be marked non-normative
[11]
AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items
Action Items
Pending:
id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra
New:
id=2011-04-19-1 status=pending owner="MikeE" Build formal proposal for ASSEMBLY-239 based on directional guidance given
Resolutions
2011-04-19-1: Minutes of 2011-04-05 approved w/o
2011-04-19-2: Adopt proposal 2 in Peter's summary E-mail as direction for ASSEMBLY-239
2011-04-19-3: ASSEMBLY-257 Opened by majority vote
2011-04-19-4: ASSEMBLY-258 ammended to apply to version 1.1 as well as 1.2
2011-04-19-5: ASSEMBLY-258 Opened w/o and applies to v1.1 AND v1.2 of spec
Minutes
Scribe: Eric Wells
Opening
MartinC:
Notes he can only be on the call for 5-10 minutes - Note straggelers for roll
Roll call 14/21 = 66% quorate
Agenda - accepted as posted
Approval of minutes
Miutes of 2011-04-05
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41866/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-04-05.html
Resolution: Minutes of 2011-04-05 approved w/o
Action Items
Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained
in wsra
Both still pending
Administrivia
MikeE:
Notes next weeks meeting is cancelled (as agreed previously)
...next meeting will be 2011-05-03
JeffM noted for roll
<MartinC >
jeff recorded in roll
Exit Criteria
No new discussion
Open Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239
Alternate proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html
<Mike Edwards>
Peter's latest summary of the alternatives:
<Mike Edwards>
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201104/msg00002.html
EricJ:
Directional only at the moment - will need detailed text for resolution
AnishK:
Had noted typo - nothing more serious
MikeE:
Need a motion to move forward
Motion: Adopt proposal 2 in Peter's summary E-mail as direction for ASSEMBLY-239 m=BryanA s=AnishK
EricJ:
Will not object to this if no one else has any concerns
No objection heard
Resolution: Adopt proposal 2 in Peter's summary E-mail as direction for ASSEMBLY-239
Action: Build formal proposal for ASSEMBLY-239 based on directional guidance given owner=MikeE
New Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-257: Global domain channels creation inconsistent with pattern established by definitions.xml
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-257
(JIRA seems to have stopped working)
MikeE:
Notes that he needs to do some housekeeping to try and help (remove old OSOA entries)
...OSOA just can't handle everything
AnishK:
Can we migrate to OASIS JIRA? (rather than OSOA's)
MikeE:
Will look into how much work that would be
<Eric Johnson>
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00058.html
EricJ:
Summarizes issue
...inconsistent definition of Global Domain Channel and consequential issues
AnishK:
Definitions.xml contains "types" not really appropriate to put GDC in this file
EricJ:
GDC IS very much like a type
...Also deploying GDC not the same as other top level things in the domain
MikeE:
Channels more like components when deployed at domain level
Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-257 m=EricJ s=BryanA
AnishK:
Speaks against motion
Vote - 4 in Favor 3 Against, motion passes
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-257 Opened by majority vote
RichL noted for roll
ASSEMBLY-258: Section 11 of spec should be marked non-normative
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-258
EricJ:
Just raised the issue to note non-normative section
MikeE:
Good to have point raised - but there probably should be some normative statements
...I.E. if you are going to extend then you MUST do it this way
AnishK:
Lots of snippets and examples, all of which are (can only be) non-normative
BryanA:
Seems more likely that will need to add normative statements
...also probably applies equally to 1.1 (as well as 1.2)
EricJ:
At the time there was no other issues against 1.1 but does also apply
MikeE:
Not sure if this could be tested (effectivly)
EricW:
Not sure its a good idea to introduce "optional" and "untestable" parts back into spec
...having just spent weeks arguing over and removing existing options
MikeE:
Probably would be mandatory, but untestable
Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-258 m=EricJ s=BryanA
BryanA:
Should this apply to 1.1 also
motion Ammend ASSEMBLY-258 to apply to 1.1 as well as 1.2 m=AnishK s=BryanA
No discussion no objection to ammendment
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-258 ammended to apply to version 1.1 as well as 1.2
Motion: Change title of ASSEMBLY-258 to "Section 11 contains no normative text" m=BryanA s= NONE
motion fails due to lack of second
No futher discussion of main (ammended) motion
No objections
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-258 Opened w/o and applies to v1.1 AND v1.2 of spec
AOB
Straggler roll - JeffM RichL
<Mike Edwards>
Eric W - I'll get the roll updated in a mo
<Mike Edwards>
ok, roll is now up to date: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=30263
COB 9:01AM PDT
OK Mike I'll try to get the minutes out later today
<Mike Edwards>
many thanks for scribing Eric
[End of Minutes]
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