SCA-BPEL TC Call Oct. 16 2008 - Unformatted Minutes

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Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735)

Dieter Koenig: Agenda:

1. Roll Call

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php

2. Appointment of scribe

Scribe list attached below

3. Agenda bashing

4. Approval of Sep 25, 2008 minutes

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00002.html

5. Approval of Oct 9, 2008 minutes

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00013.html

6. Action items review

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php

a) AI #0021

Sanjay to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository

b) AI #0047

Anish to communicate to the Assembly TC to consider including examples
of using interface.partnerLinkType in the Assembly specification.

c) AI #0048

Anish to propose a new issue for mapping interface.wsdl to interface.partnerLinkType.

7. LOA requests

8. New Issues

a) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00014.html

9. Issue Discussion

a) Issue 18 - http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18

TITLE- Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119

keywords/statements

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00009.html

b) Issue 12 - http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-12

TITLE  Long-Running Request-Response Operations

10. AOB

Dieter Koenig: Scribe: Dieter

Dieter Koenig: Topic 3: Agenda bashing

Dieter Koenig: Agenda approved

Dieter Koenig: Topic 4: Approval of Sep 25,
2008 minutes

Dieter Koenig: Sep 25, 2008 minutes approved

Dieter Koenig: Topic 5: Approval of Oct 9,
2008 minutes

Dieter Koenig: Oct 9, 2008 minutes approved

Dieter Koenig: Topic 6: Action items

Dieter Koenig: a) AI 0021 - Sanjay

Dieter Koenig: Sanjay to follow up with Mary
again - may just result in a resubmission of the files

Dieter Koenig: b) AI 0047 - Anish

Dieter Koenig: Done

Dieter Koenig: c) AI 0048 - Anish

Dieter Koenig: Done

Dieter Koenig: Topic 7: LOA requests

Dieter Koenig: Ashok will go on LOA starting
today

Dieter Koenig: Topic 8: New issues

anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00014.html

Dieter Koenig: (still Topic 7) Kanderao will
also go on LOA starting next week

Dieter Koenig: (Topic 8 continued)

Dieter Koenig: Anish explains the new issue
(see link above)

Dieter Koenig: Motion to open the issue (m:
Mike E., s: Dieter) - accepted without objection

Dieter Koenig: Topic 9: Issue discussion

Dieter Koenig: Issue 18 - proposal provided
my Mike R.

anish: email from anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00016.html

Dieter Koenig: Mike R. explains his proposal

Dieter Koenig: (see word doc attached to mail
linked above, section 2.1.1)

anish lowered your hand

anish lowered your hand

Dieter Koenig: The discussion brought up a
new issue about additional constraints needed for enforcing the integrity
between sca-bpel:service and sca-bpel:reference attributes on one hand
and sca-bpel:multiRefFrom or bpel:initializePartnerRole attributes on the
other hand

Dieter Koenig: Mike E. summarizes the discussion
at the SCA-Assembly TC about issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-36

Dieter Koenig: SCA-Assembly TC discussion of
issue Assembly-36:

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Issue 36: Compatibility of Component Type side files

<Mike Edwards>

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200809/msg00057.html

<Dave Booz>

for the record, here's what the assembly spec says now (cd01 rev1) on this:

<Dave Booz>

172 The component type is calculated in two steps where the second step
adds to the information

173 found in the first step. Step one is introspecting the implementation
(if possible), including the

174 inspection of implementation annotations (if available). Step two covers
the cases where

175 introspection of the implementation is not possible or where it does
not provide complete

176 information and it involves looking for an SCA component type file.
Component type

177 information found in the component type file must be compatible with
the equivalent information

178 found from inspection of the implementation. The component type file
can specify partial179 information, with the remainder being derived from
the implementation.

<Simon Nash>

are we taking people from the queue or should people just jump in when
they want to say something?

<Dave Booz>

Mike E is trying to get you in

<anish>

Each C&I specifies (1) if a CT side file(s) is allowed (2) if introspection
is allowed, (3) name and location of side files(s) (4) compatibility between
introspected CT and side file(s), (5) how the effective CT of an implementation
is derived. SCA Assembly only cares about the effective CT.

<anish>

Each implementation has an (effective) CT, specified by sca:ComponentType,
how that is arrived at depends on the implementation type.

Resolution: m:Vorthmann s:Aupperle accept Anish's text above as a direction
for the resolution to Assembly-36

<Mike Edwards>

13:30 - 13:45 Issue 82: Relax schema to allow anywhere

Action: Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional
resolution to Assembly-36 

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Dieter Koenig: (back to SCA-BPEL-18 - usage
of term "introspected component type")

Dieter Koenig: Mike E: if there is no side
file then the effective component type is the introspected component type

Dieter Koenig: Danny: this proposal is dependent
on the definition of "introspected component type"

Dieter Koenig: Danny: Motion to adopt the proposed
text from Mike R. as amended by Anish as the model for the complete spec
(m: Danny, s: Mike R.)

Dieter Koenig: Motion includes accepting the
proposal as actual spec text for section 2.1.1

Dieter Koenig: Mike R.: SCA-BPEL should use
"component type" instead of "introspected component type"

Dieter Koenig: (no amendment here - motion
stays as is)

Dieter Koenig: Motion accepted without objection

Dieter Koenig: Editors should now take this
direction for the rest of the sepc

Dieter Koenig: New AI for Mike R. - talk to
editors

Dieter Koenig: Mike E. mentions the SCA-Assembly
approach of labeling conformance points in the spec

Mike Edwards: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/29678/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-cd01-rev2.pdf

Dieter Koenig: Topic 10: AOB

Dieter Koenig: no AOB

Dieter Koenig: meeting adjourned

anish thx for scribing dieter

Dieter Koenig: yw

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