RE: [security-services] Credentials Collector proposal for SAML 2 .0...

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Carlisle Adams <>
Date
2003-04-15T21:32:28+00:00
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RE: [security-services] Credentials Collector proposal for SAML 2 .0...
Title: Credentials Collector proposal for SAML 2.0...

Hi 
Slava,

 

Good comments.  I 
agree that protection of certain authenticators is worth pointing out, even if 
we don't solve it in this first round.  Also, the concept of an 
AA-Validator could be included as a fourth architecture (or as a twist on the 
existing ones).  What do others think?

 

Carlisle.

 

 

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Kavsan, Bronislav 
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:59 
  PM
To: 'Carlisle Adams'; 
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Subject: RE: 
  [security-services] Credentials Collector proposal for SAML 2 
  .0...

  

  
Carlisle,

  
I like the proposal - good start!

  
Few comments/suggestions:

  
1. One interesting topic worth considering for the Discussion 
  or Issues/Requirements section - protection/blinding of certain types of 
  authenticators from CC in the CC-Translator scenario. In other words - in some deployments, where 
  CC-Translator and AA are in separate security domains, it is often undesirable 
  to reveal certain types of authenticators (static shared secrets, e.g. 
  passwords) to CC-Translator. Such protection may not be needed for one-time 
  passwords and challenge-response methods. I am not sure how to accomplish that 
  - it could either non-standard (Type 2 protocol?) or out-of-SAML-scope 
  topic, but nevertheless, I think, it is worthwhile pointing out this issue..

  
2. Using WS-Trust lingo - 
  AA can be viewed as a 
  Security Token Service (STS) with an 
  interesting scenario of  AA/STS being WS-Trust Credential Validatior as it is 
  described in WS-Trust spec. So, AA-Validator could possibly be 
  another (fourth) deployment 
  scenario where CC-Authenticator will invoke 
  AA-Validator to validate certification path and/or cert revocation status, for 
  example. Or this scenario could be hybridized with the CC-Authenticator 
  scenario.

  
I also support your recommendation for Approach #3 - and RSA 
  Security, as well as other co-authors of the spec strongly advocating 
  submission of WS-Trust spec to standards organization.

  
Thank you,

  
Slava Kavsan

  
RSA Security

  
    
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlisle Adams 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 
    2:16 PM
To: 
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Subject: 
    [security-services] Credentials Collector proposal for SAML 
    2.0...

    
Hi all, 

    
I've finally gotten around to 
    updating and filling out the Credentials Collector proposal.  I've 
    tried to take into account the brief discussions a few of us have had so far 
    on this topic.  Further comment/discussion is welcome, on the list and 
    perhaps in an upcoming concall.

    
Carlisle. 

    
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