RE: [security-services] Web SSO <AuthnRequest> conformance

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Thomas Wisniewski <>
Date
2004-10-26T23:31:07+00:00
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RE: [security-services] Web SSO <AuthnRequest> conformance
That was it exactly. Perhaps the size limits are fairly large (typically
closer to 2k at least), and for conformance (and interop), only "small"
<AuthnRequest>s are handled.

Here's a very trivial request (ids are very short) that is around 800 chars
(base 64 encoding and url encoding will add 33%, and make this around 1150
chars). I guess dig sig is not really required (that would increase size
drastically).

The request can also have SubjectConfirmation, Conditions, AuthContext
stuff, IsPassive, ForceAuthn, AssertionConsumerServiceIndex and URL,
ProviderName, etc... which can hit a 2k limit.


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
<samlp:AuthnRequest 
  xmlns="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:protocol" 
  xmlns:ds="http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#"
  xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
  xmlns:samlp="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:protocol" 
  Consent="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:consent:unspecified"
  ID="_9494578B5BDA829CF967D5AAA5DFA158C2A85EEF" 
  IssueInstant="2004-10-26T17:56:02Z" 
  Version="2.0">
<saml:Issuer xmlns:saml="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:assertion" 
  Format="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:nameid-format:entity" 
  NameQualifier="" 
  SPNameQualifier="">
  idp
</saml:Issuer>
<saml:Subject xmlns:saml="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:assertion"/>
<samlp:NameIDPolicy 
  AllowCreate="true" 
  Format="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:nameid-format:persistent" 
  SPNameQualifier="sp.company.com"/>
</samlp:AuthnRequest>


Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mishra, Prateek [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:08 PM
To: Scott Cantor; Thomas Wisniewski
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [security-services] Web SSO <AuthnRequest> conformance



I am afraid I still don't follow why there is a need for an additional
MTI feature. Is the argument that most AuthNRequest's do not commonly
fit on HTTP URLs? We haven't found this to be the case but then that is
just one opinion.

Maybe I havent understood the real issue in this thread.

- prateek

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cantor [mailto:] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:24 PM
To: 'Thomas Wisniewski'
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [security-services] Web SSO <AuthnRequest> conformance

> Seems reasonable. Do you feel it will be added to the conf 
> spec as MUST?

I'd be in favor of making POST MTI, and I think we have to do something.

The ability to do artifact was mostly just a consequence of layering the
spec the way I did (i.e. you get it for free architecturally), but there
wasn't overwhelming interest in using it for anything else.

-- Scott


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