[ubl-lcsc] ISSUE: Outstanding discussion points on BIE's

DISCUSSION POINTS FOR TUESDAYS CALL:

 

Discussion of Element Naming and their 
definitions.  The following list are BIE's, their definitions and comments 
that have been made by members of UBL LCSC.  I would like to discuss these 
points during our call tomorrow morning and see if we can't put some of them 
away.  Thanks.

 

Lisa

 

1) 

 

BIE: Shipment. Carrier. Identifier

 

DEFINITION: the identifier assigned by the agency 
to the carrier. This identifies the carrier being used for this stage of the 
shipment.

 

COMMENT: This is overlapping some terms - a carrier 
can identify a shipment, and a carrier can be identified. This is unclear in the 
BIE Dictionary Entry Name.

 

 

 

 

 

2)  

 

BIE: Pricing. Basis. Quantity

 

DEFINITION: contains a quantity and unit of 
measurement to which the unit price applies if that quantity is greater than. 
For example if a pricing scheme were $50/500 lbs, then 500 lbs would be 
contained in this element. This can also be used, when the 
UnitOfMeasurem

 

COMMENTS:  I don't like the idea of 
combining these items unless we are specifying it as an aggregation

 

AND

 

AJS:  New definition: "Contains the quantity 
and unit of measurement on which the unit price is based.  For example, if 
the pricing scheme were $50/500 lbs, this would contain 500 (quantity) and lbs 
(unit of measure)."

 

 

 

 

 

3)

 

BIE:  Sales Condition. Condition. 
Identifier

 

DEFINITION: identifies a condition within the set 
of sales conditions that apply.

 

COMMENT: This is confusing - is this at the 
point of delivery for a sale, or a POS, or a pre-condition on the entity that 
can be sold to?

 

AND

 

"Suggest add ""s"" to ""Sales Condition"" in the 
name.  Strictly speaking this should be named Item Sales Conditions etc, as 
there are probably Transaction Sales Conditions as well in the overall world 
model!"

 

 

 

 

 

4)  

 

BIE: Item Identifier. Extension. Text

 

DEFINITION: "an additional extension in free text 
form to 'specialise' the identification of a product or service.
An example 
of this would be a color code for a specific product."

 

COMMENT:  All discuss:This overlaps the 
function of 'Physical Attribute' and is less system processable.

 

AND

 

This would be an attribute - no in extension text 
as it would not be searchable - typically they use features like color with 
codes so they can be reused (and not scraping for matching free-form 
text).

 

 

 

 

 

5)  

 

BIE:  Item. Final Recipient. 
Details

 

DEFINITION: information that directly relates to 
the person or organization who will ultimately receive the item.

 

COMMENT:  "All to discuss:  This is 
about the Line Item and not the Item"

 

 

 

6)

 

BIE:  Item. From Catalog. 
Indicator 

 

DEFINITION: an indicator that denotes whether or 
not the item was ordered from a catalog.

 

COMMENT:  "All to discuss: This is about the 
Line Item and not the Item"

 

 

 

 

 

7)

 

BIE:  Address. Identifier

 

DEFINITION: a unique identifier given to a specific 
address within a scheme of registered addresses.

 

COMMENT:  "All to discuss: Are there any 
such schemes and if so what are they?" 

 

AND

 

How does this overlap by a type of address?  
Home, office, organization, etc. (UBL000033A).  Is there really a clear 
distinction between a location and an address?

 

 

 

8)

 

BIE:  Contract. Identifier 

 

DEFINITION:  identifies a contract by a unique 
and single identifier known to all the parties concerned. 

 

COMMENT:  Maybe 'known to all" is a bit OTT 
although it really is implied or we would have separate [party 
role]'s.Contract.Id names. Should we have these as, for example, we have 
Buyer/SellerItemId? 

 

AND

 

Multple contracts can apply to a transaction or to 
parties that transact together. We found it to be M-M.

 

 

 

9A)  CREDIT CARD all 
following:

 

BIE:  Credit Card. Authorisation. 
Text 

 

DEFINITION:  Under review: 

 

COMMENT:  Mike, NO SUCH THING, according to my 
Card friends   There can be a transaction number and in limited 
circumstances, I have seen an authorization number that an entity has to record 
when a card transaction is approved (I don't see it used that often 
anymore).

 

 

 

9B)

 

BIE: CreditCard. Details

 

DEFINITION: information that directly relates to a 
credit card, a small plastic card issued by a financial institution, bank or 
building society, allowing the holder to make purchases on 
credit. 

 

COMMENT:  Why wouldn't you have card details 
and use UBL000155B identify the card type.  Therefore, you have Card. 
Details.  If so you have to generisize the definition.

 

 

 

 

 

9C)

 

BIE: Payment Means. Credit Card. 
Details

 

DEFINITION: Old definition: the credit or debit 
card that is being used for the payment.

 

COMMENT: "Name & definition conflict. Credit 
card in name, credit or debit card in definition.  The data model is weak 
in this area: I am reworking it [Mike]" This is like 
UBL000150.

 

 

 

9D)

 

BIE: Credit Card. Customer. Identifier

 

DEFINITION:  Old definition: the customer 
reference number. This is used to enable transmission of customer specific 
information with the card. (Under review)

 

COMMENT:  Mike, "The name suggests a 
misconception about what this is, when you read the definition.  Mike to 
review with Card people."

 

 

 

9E)

 

BIE: Credit Card. Expiry. Date 

 

DEFINITION: the date up to which the card is valid 
. 

 

COMMENT:  Definition is only acceptable if we 
re-model a generic 'Card' which can have sub-types of 'credit', 'debit' 
etc 

 

AND

 

Agreed - see previous comment on using Card 
Type.

 

 

 

9F)

 

BIE: Credit Card. Holder. Name 

 

DEFINITION:  the name of the holder of the 
card. 

 

COMMENT:  Definition is only acceptable if we 
re-model a generic 'Card' which can have sub-types of 'credit', 'debit' 
etc 

 

AND  

 

Agreed. See previous comments.

 

 

 

 

 

9G)  

 

BIE:  Credit Card. Identifier

 

DEFINITION:  the identifying number of the 
card.

 

Synonym: Card Number" 

 

COMMENT: New definition is only acceptable if we 
re-model a generic 'Card' which can have sub-types of 'credit', 'debit' 
etc 

 

AND

 

Use Card Type. Same comment as 
previously.

 

 

 

9H)

 

BIE:  Credit Card. Issuer. 
Identifier 

 

DEFINITION:  the type of card used as a means 
of payment. 

 

COMMENT:  Definition is only acceptable if we 
re-model a generic 'Card' which can have sub-types of 'credit', 'debit' etc. 
Name should not say "Credit" 

 

AND

 

Agreed. In addition, the Card issuer ID is not the 
same as the type of credit card - unless you are saying Visa, Master Card or 
xxxx vs. Debit, Credit.

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