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Subject: [ubl-ndrsc] Minutes for today's NDR Meeting - 6 Nov 2002




From: Lisa Seaburg <>
To: UBL-NDR <>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:58:50 -0600









The NDR SC will meet by phone on Wednesday, 6 
November 2002 (Lisa will chair):

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2002&mon=10&day=30&hour=15&min=30&sec=0

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1. Roll call
    (Eve, Mark, Eduardo 
regrets)
    Lisa Seaburg, Eve Maler (signed 
off at X:43), Arofan Gregory, Paul Thorpe, Bill Burcham, Gunther Stuhec, Jon 
Bosak

2. Acceptance of minutes of previous meeting - Did not have quorum, 
but did have critical mass.  Continued without accepting 
minutes.
 
        Minutes from 
30 October:

3. Adoption of agenda

4. Review action items and 
status

    Mavis: (Not on call, 
deferred)

  
  Turn the free 
  normative text in the NDR document into isolated, numbered rules. 
  
  Status:  still open.  Lisa is working with Mavis, and has 
  identified approach.  Should have 
  something to release next week.
     Eve:

  
  Compile a list of the supplementary components and their 
  definitions on a per-CCT basis. Status:  See her email of 
  11/4/02
  
  Ask the Sun XML community to analyze the seriousness of 
  the fragment processing problem with 
  local elements. Status:  
  unknown.  (Will look into 
  this)
Discussion?

  
  Containership - Where did we leave 
  this?          Defered for Mavis 
  to be here.
  
    
     
  
  Has anyone had the time to review the new 
  work of the LCSC? 
  
    
    Discussion:  The work that Tim has 
    brought forward to LCSC has put the group into flux and stopped work.  
    There is a problem with understanding, 
    
     
  
  Facets - Gunther and 
  Mavis  - Worked with Mavis, finished the section in the NDR 
  document, there are still some questions, which were sent out last 
  week.
  
    
       Q:  A restriction of BCCs is simple, but 
    BBIEs is more complex.  Discussion:
    
      
      We read through the Rules in the NDR document and 
      Gunther went through what the examples are and how they work.  
      
      
      ACTION ITEM: Gunther to fix examples in NDR 
      document, and do different types of examples.
      
      There is still a problem restricting the complex 
      types. 
      
      Bill had some ideas about how we could do this, 
      Gunther will look into it further.  Discussion through the email list 
      will continue.
      
      If we use a new element for the content itself, 
      you inherit the restrictions.  
    
    Q:  Do you have any idea on how to define the Representation 
    type for integer?
    
      
      We have RT: value, RT: percent, RT: 
      number
      
      It would be very useful if we had 
      this,
      
      Bill feels we should kick this over to the LCSC 
      and see if they think we need it.
    
    We are defining complex types for every BCC.  If UN/CEFACT 
    changes anything inside of a CCT, what happens then?
    
      
      You inherit those changes.
      
      If you define a new BCC, you won't copy.  
      you inherit.
      
      ACTION:  Gunther will try out the 
      possibilities and research what happens if the CCT's change.  Can we 
      restrict or extend the BCC?
      
      ACTION:  Bill proposes a new piece of work 
      is required here, the Perl script generates XSD for basic BIEs as well as 
      ABIEs.  That means that probably we have to infer the presence of 
      these BIEs declaring the CCT.  This means the LCSC must have all 
      information necessary to allow the Perl script to do this.  Gunther 
      will have to make some changes to the configuration file.  We 
      envision that there is really enough info right now for the script to know 
      right enough to do this.
      
       
  
  NDR Document Review – Rules discussion - 
  Mavis not on call, deferred to next weeks call.
  
  Other Schema 
  representation
  
    
    We were going to discuss what to do 
    about ASN.1 and other schema languages that are out 
    there.
    
    These will be annexes to the NDR document.
    
    See summary from Paul in last weeks minutes.
  
  Referencing Strategies – depending on 
  Gunther’s ability to finish work. Still waiting for response from colleagues, 
  they are reviewing.  Will send to this group once that review cycle is 
  done.
  
  Embedded documentation – depending on 
  Arofan’s ability to finish work - Unable to get anything done this week, will 
  be working.



  
  
    
      Priority
    
      Work 
      Item
    
      Status
    
      Responsibility
  
    
      A
    
      Issues appearing 
      in the
NDR document 
    
      Break down into 
      smaller pieces
    
      Mavis
  
    
      A
    
      Local vs. global 
      – 
    
      Complete.  Need to incorporate into 
      NDR.
    
      Mavis to 
      include
  
    
      A
    
      Code lists 
      
    
      Needs new 
      draft
    
      Eve
  
    
      A
    
      CCT module work 
      
    
      In progress.  Needs to be broken
down into 
      smaller pieces.  Section 3 
      work in the NDR document is dependent on this.
    
      Open - 
      Gunter
  
    
      A
    
      Containership
    
      Joint effort with 
      LC needs final
resolution.  
      Still open
    
      Arofan was 
      volunteered by Lisa
  
    
      B
    
      Referencing 
      strategies.
    
      Part of CCT 
      Module Work.
Update in progress.  
      Anticipate position paper on 5 November.
    
      Gunther
  
    
      B
    
       Naming rules 
    
      Done
    
      Mavis
  
    
      C
    
      Facet outreach 
      
    
      Still 
      working.  Gunter has received 
      material from Lisa.
    
      Lisa and 
      Gunter
  
    
      C
    
      MODNAMVER
    
      Complete.
    
      Bill
  
    
      C
    
      Embedded
documentation 
    
      Needs to be moved 
      to NDR
document.  
      
    
      Arofan 
      
  
    
      C
    
      ASN.1 schema 
      
    
      Done – However 
      there is an
issue within the group on
how/should to present 
      this
    
      Larmouth
  
    
      C
    
      Updating 
      guiding
principles
    
      In 
      Progress
    
      Mavis/Lisa
  
    
      C
    
      Wildcards
    
      Open
    
      Lisa
  
    
      C
    
      Nillability
    
      Started. 
      
    
      Lisa
  
    
      C
    
      Instance 
      Constraints
    
      Open
    
      Lisa
ACTION: Lisa will send out Nillability paper, Discussion about this 
today was that we don't want to use it.  Lisa will collect info from 
different discussions and put forward.  It was put forward that we want to 
make Nil="false" in all cases.  (Paul and Arofan agreed)
 
5.  Work through other NDR document "flesh out" issues - Hold 
for Mavis.

 
6.  Other Sub-Committees:

  
  LCSC 
  - Lisa
  
    
    Open invitation to the entire NDR to help review the new 0p70 
    model and help the LCSC understand this model and get through this 
    work.
  
  Tools and Techniques - Gunther, needs to make changes to Perl 
  script and configuration files.  See notes above.
  
  Context Methodology - Arofan and Gunther, 
  
    
    ACTION: Ask Eve if she has time to go through notes from past 
    meetings and come out with first draft for this topic.  If she does not 
    have time to do this then find another 
volunteer.

7.  Next meeting topics

  
  November 13 (Eve regrets, Mark will cover)
  
    
    Scope of document on Context Methodology and manual extension, to 
    tell user how to manually extend UBL.  (There has been interest already 
    on this, Jon)

  
  November 18-22 F2F Agenda
8.  Adjourn


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Lisa 
Seaburg
AEON Consulting
Website: http://shell.gmi.net/~xmlgeek/
Email:  
Alternative Email: 
Phone: 662-562-7676
Cellphone: 662-501-7676
 
"Remember that great love and great achievements 
involve great 
risk."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lisa 
Seaburg
AEON Consulting
Website: http://shell.gmi.net/~xmlgeek/
Email:  
Alternative Email: 
Phone: 662-562-7676
Cellphone: 662-501-7676
 
"Remember that great love and great achievements 
involve great 
risk."
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