1. Roll Call and Welcome from the chair
(Lisa), assignment of co-chair to take minutes.
Mavis Cournane -
Regrets
Bill Burcham - Yes
Mark
Crawford - Yes (left :11:22)
Fabrice Desré - Yes
Arofan Gregory -
No
Jessica Glace - No
Michael Grimley - No
Eduardo Gutentag -
Yes
Eve Maler - No, regrets
Sue Probert - Yes
Lisa Seaburg
-Yes
Gunther Stuhec - Yes
Paul Thorpe - Yes
Kris Ketels -
Yes
Jim Wilson -
Regrets
Need to
add:
Matt Gertner -
No
Jack Gager (observer) - Yes
Dan Vint (observer ACCORD) needs to be added to group. - Yes
Anne Hendry - Yes
Jon Bosak - Yes (left :11:22)
2. Acceptance of minutes from previous meetings - Accepted minutes from March 12, 2003.
3. Adoption of agenda/schedule planning Add agenda
item: working relationship with ATG and X12.
Discussion points for those who might have to leave early:
Local vs. Global: Mark gave us information from last
weeks CEFACT meeting. There are several issues that make a difference to
the outcome of this debate. There is a strong incentive to begin the
convergence between the ATG and the UBL NDR groups. Jon and Mark made a
decision last week to invite the ATG members to begin to observe and enter into
the discussions on this list serve. We want to invite them to co-locate
our meetings with them at the London meeting. This is really a joint
meeting. This helps to guide the ATG folks.
Jon: I pushed to have this happen, after sitting in the meetings it
became clear that 1) people in ATG 2 whom we are going to be dealing with, are
just as smart and pig headed as this group. 2) also clear they would be
reinventing the NDR's and they would be spending a lot of time doing this, that
could be better if we included them into discussions and get consensus in the
combined two groups. Some of our big decisions such as local vs. global,
would best be decided between the two groups together.
Lisa: There are logistical problems with this because of the new OASIS
members list serve. Getting people onto the list serve that are not
members, does not work.
Jon: There are ways around this. Create a new ad-hoc mail list.
We still need to wait and see if they are willing to participate. We could
do this per question, or do this completely with the combined groups. Or
ask Karl to add ATG list serve to this list serve. Or could use the ATG2 list
serve - add UBL participants - but no list for just ATG2. All of ATG not
interested.
Kris: There are other ways, the individual membership fee is not that
great. Otherwise we should ask OASIS to agree with this.
Mark: Other alternative would be to move it to the ATG list
serve. We can just put this list serve in as a member to the ATG
list.
Action Item: 1) Jon talk to Karl about using OASIS comment
list.
Jon: This is our strategy, and it changes the debate deadline for Local vs.
Global. We extend again the deadline until after the London meeting?
We are going to make an attempt at getting agreement before London. We
will continue our elist discussion.
Agreed.
Jon: Staging for this debate: continue the list serve, and will ask Karl to
create a list. We will invite ATG2 to join in. We will start with
local vs. global.
Mark: The ATG group joining in this decision will not have a vote, this is
only for them to join in the debate and get a chance to voice their
opinions.
Jon: We want to have this decision made and have both groups happy with the
outcome, so that they will not, at some point in the future be asking to rethink
the decision again.
Sue: This invitation we are making is very important to be open and
sent to all the groups involved.
Jon: Do we agree that we will take the local vs. global discussion to
email only and will not be discussing it on the calls?
Gunther: Mark made a very good list of pro and cons about local vs.
global, this becomes part of the materials. Mark will send out.
AI: Lisa put together top 10 or so of previous local/global discussion
papers to drive this new discussion. Work with Mark on how to get that out
to both groups. Need to capture discussions in October when decision was
reversed, and also in F2F.
4. Kavi Issues, Discussion of member lists
(Lisa) - There are still problems, I have noted above on the roll call who is
not getting email. This should be done sometime within this
week.
5. Review NDR release schedule
(Mark)
Document is on hold. Document has moved forward
from version .22.
6. Review of Project List:
There were meetings last week between the ATG and CCTS. The emails
regarding this debate need to be shared with the UBL members. Mark will
forward some of these emails to the list serve.
A+ NDR document update (in
progress)
NDR doc at .22+. LCSC was interested in getting a
draft. Mark will receive input from those who have input, but will keep document
internal for now.
A Code list rules and schema template - (in progress)
A Embedded
documentation (decided in last weeks meeting)
A Local vs. global elements -
(extended)
A Namespace rules (getting into NDR main doc)
A Versioning rules
(getting into NDR main doc) - in progress
A Context Methodology (Matt sent a
new version of the guidelines document, Eduardo sent to list)
Matt's feeling is the document is good, examples are
there, we are looking for more input. Dan had volunteered to
B Common Core Components documentation -(in progress)
Gunther will send out emails by end
of week.
Gunther also asks for more help with
the CCT. Lisa will do acouple more sections.
Gunther: More fundamental decisions
need to be made immediately regarding data types. If we want to be
completely compliant with the CCTS, there are decisions we need to make.
Mark: This is something we need to
discuss further within CCTS. This may not change how we make our
decision.
Mark: CCTS made no formal decisions
on this - CCTS has to discuss further. They're decision may have an
impact, but would not mandate specific method. This does need to be discussed in
LCSC. Spreadsheet not conformant with CCTS at the moment.
B Containership (put on agenda for next week, Arofan and Gunther both
would like to speak.)
7. Review of Sub Committees:
Library Content SC (Sue),
LCSC QA Team, working on comments (Sue/Anne)
We are up to date
with the 0p70 comments at this point, we have identified owners for each comment
also.
Very few of them
are business questions, but there are questions about how the scenarios match
up.
There are also
comments relating to design rules.
There is also a
comment on the scripting.
- LCSC
Schedule: There is a scheduled date for Version 1p0, we
haven't decided if there should be a 0p7? or not, we don't want to extend our
scenario, but outside groups have some interesting work that we think we should
consider.
Sue: One of the things LCSC discussed on their call was their is a
need for more tools. We have done the automation in the middle, but we
need to fill in some of the gaps. We need to discuss this further and
decide what to do.
Anne: The discussion should be about the philosophy behind what is
happening. Chee Kai has offered to help on the tools team. He is
already writing a script (Like Gunthers) to take the Excel spreadsheet into XSD
and back out. He feels there are still real problems with the way this is
being done right now.
8. Other Business?
Find out if NDR wants joint meeting next week.
Agreed, Lisa will contact Tim and Bill to extend the invitation and make sure
phone numbers go out.
9. Adjourn
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