Re: [ubl-comment] FreightCreditNote?

Ok Guido,

      I send this requirement to UBL TC for evaluation and possible
      inclusion into UBL 2.2

      

      Thank you

      Roberto

      

      Il 18/05/2016 11.57, Guido Dilles ha scritto:

    

    
      
      
      
      
      

        
Hello
            Roberto,

        
 

        
Thank
            you for your comment.

        
Indeed,
            in most cases a simple CreditNote should suffice to cancel
            or correct a FreightInvoice.

        
 

        
However,
            in some cases a ‘CreditNote’ is the original document, e.g.
            for commission invoices, where the full shipment data is
            useful to identify the transport.

        
 

        
I
            am currently building ‘Invoice’ documents with the
            ‘Shipment’ tag in the extensions area, because not many UBL
            solutions are capable of handling a FreightInvoice.

        
The
            presence of the Shipment tag does allow a receiver to fairly
            easily convert the ‘Invoice’ to a ‘FreightInvoice’.

        
But
            it is not possible to do the same with a CreditNote that
            contains the Shipping tag in the extension.

        
 

        
Guido
            Dilles

        
 

        
 

        

          

            
From: JAVEST by Roberto Cisternino
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                Subject: Re: [ubl-comment] FreightCreditNote?

          

        

        
 

        

          
Hello Guido,

            CEN-BII and OpenPEPPOL are not using the FreightInvoice.

            

            The profile 5 "Billing" also has a precise rule for invoices
            and credit notes:

            

            tbr14-052 - The total amount of the document and due amount
            cannot be negative.

            

            The Billi profile also uses two UBL documents:

            - UBL-Invoice-2.1

            - UBL-CreditNote-2.1

            

            It is true there is not a FreightCreditNote however, so
            question is, if a Carrier needs to send a Credit Note to a
            Freight Forwarder which is related to a container freigth,
            does he have all information required ?

            The generic CreditNote of UBL should be sufficient usually
            because it should reference a previous Invoice where all
            industry details are already provided. So if the previous
            invoice was an UBL-FreigthInvoice-2.1 all should be fine.  I
            would say it is important to reference the credited invoice
            and maybe it is not strictly necessary to provide (repeat)
            all industry-specific details such as shipment info in the
            credit note.

            

            it is my opinion however....

            

            Best regards

            

            Roberto

            

            Il 15/05/2016 23.22, Guido Dilles ha scritto:

        

        
          
Hello,

          
 

          
FreightInvoice is a
              special case of the Invoice document, mandatory including
              a ‘Shipment’ tag to include transportation details.

          
 

          
With CEN-BII and
              openPeppol BIS profiles moving to profile 5, their
              recommendation now is to send a CreditNote document for
              invoices with negative amounts / corrective / cancellation
              invoices, instead of indicating inside the Invoice
              document (with the DocumentType tag) whether the Invoice
              is an invoice or a creditnote.

          
 

          
In that logic,
              shouldn’t there be a UBL document FreightCreditNote?

          
 

          
Kind regards,

          
 

          
Guido
                Dilles

          
 

          
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