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draft minutes 1-5-2004
Minutes
January 5
Rollcall
results (courtesy of Martin)
David
Ingham
Member
Arjuna Technologies
Limited
Mark
Little
Member
Arjuna Technologies
Limited
Eric
Yuan
Member
Booz Allen Hamilton
Joseph
Chiusano
Prospective Member
(12/22/03)
Booz Allen Hamilton
Alastair
Green
Member
Choreology Ltd
Tony
Fletcher
Member
Choreology Ltd
Peter
Furniss
Member
Choreology Ltd
Robert
Haugen
Member
Choreology Ltd
Dale
Moberg
Member
Cyclone Commerce
Bryan
Murray
Member
Hewlett-Packard
Bill
Pope
Member
Individual
Guy
Pardon
Member
Individual
Ben
Bloch
Member
Individual
John
Fuller
Observer
Individual
Peter
Cousins
Member
IONA
Oisin
Hurley
Member
IONA
carl
Trieloss
Observer
iona
Eric
Newcomer
TC Chair
IONA
Greg
Pavlik
Member
Oracle
Simeon
Greene
Member
Oracle
Aniruddha
Thakur
Observer
Oracle
Martin
Chapman
TC Chair
Oracle
Pete
Wenzel
Member
SeeBeyond Technology
Corporation
Doug
Bunting
Member
Sun Microsystems
Jan
Alexander
Member
Systinet
1
Approval of minutes from Dec. 15th as is: motion by Greg, approved
without
discussion.
2 Action
Point Review:
Martin FAQ action postponed for next
concall
Mark to upload FAQ, sent to Martin.
Not sure of status
Martin and Eric to post IPR info,
still open.
Eric to send IP info to Jamie, still
open.
Mark to review BPEL issue process
and bring proposal to group. Closed per email. Update later in meeting.
Greg to write
proposal on
addressing, will send out in a few days pending some internal
discussions.
Next two F2F
meetings are arranged.
Closed by email.
Chairs
to setup implementation
subgroup. Malik is sick, but email to group indicates that subgroup has
been
set up with email list.
3 Issue
List Update
Mark sent email to Eric
saying
nothing to say. Mark: hopefully we are going to post URL tomorrow.
Created
categories that were agreed upon. Eric: will you also be able to give
list of
issues filed? Yes, will be able to see and file issues.
New
agenda items: clarification of attendence rules. (Alastair would like)
report
on quorum: 21 and number of members: 28. Lost two members. Gained
prospectives.
4
Implementation Team Update
Eric: team formed. Malik is the
chair. Some email with brief summary sent to list. Simeon has sent a
draft
describing demo application. Proposal to base on WS-I supply chain
management
application. Looking at ways to use CAF, if any. Secondarily, proposal
to have
common repository for WSDL, tests, etc.: defer until demo is defined.
Alastair, what is the
proposed scope
re: CAF's three "layers". Eric, idea would be to demo Context, CF,
then TXM.
5
Document Draft Schedule
Eric:
Decided April for WS-Context,
August WS-CF, December WS-TXM. Not late until after the deadline.
Alastair, how
is F2F to be proceed with respect to documents. F2F: Nail issues at F2F
and
progress to draft. Greg: should we use issues list for editorial
corrections?
Eric: yes. Mark: should be wider range than faults or errors.
6 Discussion
of Issues from List
Not
clear if anything was said.
Martin: TC process ... [can't hear]
Bob
Haugen: Rules clarification for attendence. Scenario 1, attendence of
alternate
meetings; Scenario 2, I miss two meetings in a row; Scenario 3, never
miss two
meetings in a row, always attend two meetings in a row.
Martin:
if you miss two out of three, you go back to observer. You will get an
email,
and an oppportunity to become a prospective member. To become a full
member: 60
days or attend three meetings. Some chair discretion. If you know you
will be
away, can apply for a leave of absense. Bob Haugen: One other question:
for two
day F2F, how many meetings? Martin: considered one meeting. Alastair,
can we
publish this. Based on other experiences, this can be a touchy topic.
Martin:
agreed.
7 Open
Discussion
Alastair:
any attempt to work through the examples that were solicited? Eric:
posted for
discussion; feel free to discuss now or email. Looking for
commonalities.
Martin: worth spending some time on a call. Eric: have time today.
Alastair,
volunteer for five minute exposition? Eric: proposal for agenda item
(give time
to prepare)? Alastair: would be useful to draw out commonality from
different
scenarios. Eric: Peter was on phone for F2F, raised issue of whether
context
was suitable for something other than transaction scenarios. This was
the
driver. Emails were as far as we got with it. Not meant to be
definitive or
normative. Tony: agrees with Alastair that it would be good to look at
three or
four. People can come to broad agreement as to what are real scenarios
and
useful to add to primer. Eric: agreed.
Alastair:
wanted more detail on WS-I applications and context. Simeon: I sent
email, can
resend to the whole group. Eric: can you summarize. Simeon: I worked on
the
sample app implementation for WS-I, broke down ways it could be used
for
Context, CF, and TXM. Don't have proposal on hand, but basically: for
context:
session management scenario for the application. Had shopping cart
scenario in WS-I,
already built to do interoperability testing. Eric: our view is that
session
management is a good application of context.
Peter:
when I suggested looking at samples, it would check what the common
properties
are, versus what was specific to a protocol. Alastair: would like to
have group
discussion. Eric: put on agenda for next weekend. Alastair: would like
to put
some work to make prepared comments for future discussion. Eric: based
on
emails? or on presentation? if email, post ahead for better discussion.
Alastair: original point: useful to hear people present them to get
points in
relief; secondly, want to draw out similarities (would be happy to
contribute
to that). Eric: would be helpful to see before discussion; Alastair:
will
endeavor to do so, but cannot promise due to time constraints.
Alastair:
would like to see the email sent to the wider list. Martin: can join if
you are
not implementing.
Jan:
plan
to meet weekly or bi-weekly; Kavi has it weekly. Martin: bi-weekly.
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