RE: [ws-rx] proposal to address issue 140

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Doug Davis <>
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2006-07-27T19:53:21+00:00
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RE: [ws-rx] proposal to address issue 140
I just think its a little harsh to mandate
that we MUST shut everything down because of a bad informational message.
 If that's what the sender of the bad data wants to do (when it get
the fault) then ok - but I'm not convinced the spec should mandate it.

-Doug

"Bob Freund-Hitachi"
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07/27/2006 03:38 PM

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"Anish Karmarkar" <>,
Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS

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RE: [ws-rx] proposal to address issue
140

Yes,

Sequence spoofing is possible, but hopefully solved with proper

application of the security countermeasures.

The other possibility is a bad implementation.

Should an invalidSequence actually occur, then we do not have a reliable

transfer with consistent sequence state knowledge on both sides of the

transfer.  invalidSequence is not far from DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON

Thanks

-bob

-----Original Message-----

From: Anish Karmarkar [mailto:] 

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:01 PM

To: Doug Davis

Cc: Bob Freund-Hitachi; [WS-RX]

Subject: Re: [ws-rx] proposal to address issue 140

Doug Davis wrote:

> 

> Bob,

>   for InvalidAck - should it really close the sequence?  Since
Acks

are 

> just informational I'm not so sure they should initiate the closing

down 

> of a sequence even when they have bad data - I'd prefer to let the

> receiver of the InvalidAck fault make that decision for itself ( see

> 5.1.3).

Yes, I see your point about seq spoofing. Agree.

>   for seqClosed - I don't think the "action upon receipt"
should be to

> terminate - I think 'close' would be more appropriate.

> 

Makes sense.

> btw - there were changes to the expires text in the pdf - I'm assuming

> those were left over from other other work and not related to this,

right?

> 

Not sure which changes you are talking about.

The only changes are in section 4 and in section 3.4.

Note that the PDF uses WD-15 as the base.

> -Doug

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> Anish has been kind enough to prepare the attached draft proposal
to 

> address issue 140.

>  

> While preparing this draft, some additional points were raised which

we 

> enumerate below:

>  

> Sequence Terminated Fault:

> There is no text that details under what conditions a sequence 

> terminated fault might be raised other than mention of a vague

"protocol 

> error".

> One way to address this is to list some or all of the conditions in

> section 4, however it is more concise to represent these in the state

> tables of appendix D were normative.

>  

> Unsupported Selection

> This fault description deserves elucidation

>  

> Thanks

> -bob[attachment "wsrm-1.1-spec-wd-15-issue140.pdf" deleted
by Doug 

> Davis/Raleigh/IBM]