Re: [wsdm] [Fwd: [wsdm-comment] [refactoring] Discussion of OGSI and Web Services]

Ian sent this earlier today...

I gather that WSDM is planning on scheduling time on a TC call to discuss 
the issues raised by this document.  Can you please wait on this discussion 
until after we have released our position statement?

-Steve

>Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:21:17 -0500
>From: Ian Foster <>
>Subject: Re: New document "A Grid Application Framework based on Web
>   Services Specifications and Practises"
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>Savas:
>
>As you might imagine, the OGSI authors disagree profoundly with many 
>aspects of your analysis of OGSI and what is "acceptable" Web services 
>practice and what is not.
>
>A number of us are preparing a position statement summarizing our views on 
>how to handle state in a Web services context. Due to travel schedules, it 
>will be at least a week before it is ready. So I wanted to let you know we 
>are not ignoring you, but are working on our contribution to the debate.
>
>Regards -- Ian.

At 11:50 AM 8/21/2003, Fred Carter wrote:

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>Hello,
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>I don't follow the OGSI WG email, but had this forwarded to me by a 
>colleague at MITRE.
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>I have to admit that I am not an expert on OGSI, but this isn't long and 
>makes some interesting points that seem to relate to some of our own arguments.
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>I deleted the attachment on the theory that the email itself has a URL 
>where people who are interested can download it.
>
>It would be nice if those more involved in the OGSI can provide some 
>informed commentary on this.
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>Thanks.
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>Dear all,
>
>(Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message).
>
>There has been a lot of discussion in the community on the relationship
>between Web and Grid Services. Here at the North-East Regional e-Science
>Centre (NEReSC, http://www.neresc.ac.uk) and in collaboration with
>Arjuna Technologies (http://www.arjuna.com), we have been looking at the
>relationship between Web Services technologies, OGSI and Grid
>requirements.
>
>The attached document investigates the Grid architecture and its
>relationship to the Web Services Architecture. It presents our views on
>the current version of the OGSI specification and then goes on to
>propose a different mapping of the Grid infrastructure requirements to
>Web Services specifications and practises. The aim is to design an
>alternative mapping that captures the same Grid requirements, but fits
>more closely with conventional Web Services specifications and
>practises. It is not in our intentions to create an alternative to OGSI
>but, rather, provide an analysis of the issues with the current version
>of the specification and use it as input to future discussions within
>the community.
>
>This document is work in progress and will, hopefully, evolve through
>the feedback we look forward to receiving from the community. You can
>find the latest version of this document, along with more examples of
>the use of the proposed framework at
>http://www.neresc.ac.uk/projects/gaf.
>
>We are submitting the document to the relevant working group within the
>GGF as input to discussions on the future of OGSI.
>
>Regards,
>Savas Parastatidis, NEReSC
>Paul Watson, NEReSC
>Jim Webber, Arjuna Technologies
>Thomas Rischbeck, Arjuna Technologies
>
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