RE: [wsdm] OASIS WSDM [OMod] call

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RE: [wsdm] OASIS WSDM [OMod] call
Title: OASIS WSDM [OMod] call


10/07/2003

Present: Igor, Fred, JohnDC, BrianC, 
GeoffB.

 

A&B. 

Igor: 
presented the diagram and its intention

No 
significant objections about the conceptual diagram.

 

BrianC: said that versioning is an important enough element that may have 
to be included on the diagram.

Igor: 
yes, but that would be a detail of this "root" diagram and may be represented as 
a separate diagram or possibly as a representation of one of 
the manageabity capability information models.

 

We 
didn't find any voluteers for the work items 1-3 for now :).

 

JohnDC: in addition to 1, overview has to include another scoping 
statement of a similar content: about the endpoint implementation management. 
Just say that it is someone's responsibility to aggregate that information up to 
the endpoint manageability level. For example, management of loadbalanced 
endpoint in a web server farm.

 

GeoffB: expressed concern how to make sure that instances of managability 
representations expressed in MOWS and MUWS stich together properly. That is it 
should be possible to do root cause analysis using that infromation. For 
example, relationship to hosting environment, etc.

Igor: 
yes, that is a concern for internal resources management which, to certain 
extent, generally works today, but we have more concern for external, 
federated management of WSs which is not generally possible today. That is a 
valid concern and we should not break or preclude proper information stitching, 
but focus on the later. For example, URL where SOAP messages are sent can 
be used today as a basis for the root cause analysys, and relationships can 
be used to express any kind of lower-level relationships using MUWS (defining 
that is already on our agenda).

 

C.

 

Igor: 
proposed to use the UML notation that WS-Manageability used to express the 
atomic manageability capability models. That is representation 
of properties, data models, events and operations. We can then 
dicuss what goes in or out of the models on the calls.

Dind't 
hear pushback on that.

 

Igor: 
proposed to edit UMLs and send them with updates for now.

That 
was ok with the group.

 

ACTION: Igor to send out an example representation of one atomic 
capability model before the next call.

-- Igor 
Sedukhin .. () 
-- (631) 342-4325 .. 1 CA Plaza, 
Islandia, NY 11788 

 

From: Sedukhin, Igor S 
Sent: Monday, 
October 06, 2003 2:48 PM
To: 

Subject: RE: [wsdm] OASIS WSDM [OMod] 
call

Agenda for [OMod] call tomorrow.

 

A. 
Review attached UML diagram intended for MOWS spec overview section. Attached. 
This was a product of our discussion during the [OMod] ad-hoc meeting 
on Wed after the F2F. Me, Mark, Fred and Zulah were 
present.

 

B. 
Find volunteers for the following (coming from the discussion about the diagram 
in A.)

 

1. Text in the 
overview of the MOWS spec must elaborate on the manageability at the service 
level. Essentially "how to use manageabilty of endpoints to infer (aggregate) 
manageability of a service".

2. The diagram will show a shade on the nexus points of MUWS and MOWS 
(manageable resource and manageable endpoint respectively). Only nexus points 
will be singled out on this diagram. There will be abother diagram that shows 
relationships of MUWS and MOWS concepts (possibly aggregation/composition of 
manageability capabilities).

3. There is a need for another diagram to display 
the "locus of implementation" concepts.

C. 
Discuss the UML framework in which to express manageability 
capabilities following the MOWS contents outline discussed during the 
F2F.

-- Igor 
Sedukhin .. () 
-- (631) 342-4325 .. 1 CA Plaza, 
Islandia, NY 11788 

 

From: Sedukhin, Igor S 
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