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DRAFT Minutes WSS-TC 10.4.2004
For comment and correction ~r â¢Â  â  1  Call to order/roll call  10.4.05 9:04:28 AM Chairs: Kelvin Lawrence, Secretary: Don Flinn Minutes: Ron Williams Attendance Attendance List Voting Members Maneesh     Sahu      Actional Corporation Duane      Nickull     Adobe Hal       Lockhart    BEA Systems, Inc. Denis      Pilipchuk    BEA Systems, Inc. Corinna     Witt      BEA Systems, Inc. Rich      Levinson    Computer Associates Thomas     DeMartini    ContentGuard Dana      Kaufman     Forum Systems, Inc. Toshihiro    Nishimura    Fujitsu Limited Kefeng     Chen      GeoTrust Irving     Reid      Hewlett-Packard Kojiro     Nakayama    Hitachi Derek      Fu       IBM Kelvin     Lawrence    IBM Mike      McIntosh    IBM Anthony     Nadalin     IBM Ron       Williams    IBM Don       Flinn      Individual Kate      Cherry     Lockheed Martin Paul      Cotton     Microsoft Corporation Vijay      Gajjala     Microsoft Corporation Martin     Gudgin     Microsoft Corporation Chris      Kaler      Microsoft Corporation Frederick    Hirsch     Nokia Corporation Abbie      Barbir     Nortel Prateek     Mishra     Oracle Corporation Vamsi      Motukuru    Oracle Corporation Ben       Hammond     RSA Security John      Linn      RSA Security Rob       Philpott    RSA Security Pete      Wenzel     SeeBeyond Ronald     Monzillo    Sun Microsystems John      Weiland     US Dept of the Navy Hans      Granqvist    VeriSign Members Steve    Anderson     BMC Software Carolina  Canales-Valenzuela Ericsson Jeff    Hodges     NeuStar, Inc. Blake    Dournaee     Sarvega Will     Raymond     Tibco Member that regained voting status after 10/4/05 Meeting Steve     Anderson     BMC Software Jeff     Hodges     NeuStar, Inc. Will     Raymond     Tibco 19 REQUIRED - 31 ATTENDING - Quorum Achieved â¼Â  â  2  Reading/Approving minutes of last meeting (Sept 20th) [1]  10.4.05 9:13:13 AM   â¢Â  â  Approved by unanimous consent (no objections registered)   â¼Â  â  3  Review of actions from prior meeting minutes [1]  10.4.05 9:14:30 AM   â¢Â  â  Actions are caught up - closed or made issues (Kelvin)   â¢Â  â  4  One Time Password proposal (continue discussion and try to reach closure)  10.4.05 9:14:37 AM Chris - limit discussion to 30 mintues Paul Cotton - had questions answered during dialogue. Paul Cotton - proposed way forward. Not convinced work is in scope for TC. Simple procedure: Have proponents move that work on OTP profile is in scope, triggering an electronic ballot to TC to determine whether or not this is to be a deliverable. Hans - Seems ec vote would take a long time. Kelvin - if such a motion was put forward - Oasis has 15 days in which to call an electronic ballot - + 7 to 15 days for actual vote, and Oasis is responsible for the ballot. We'd be clarifying the charter, not amending it. Mary - 2/3 majority required for passage, no more than 1/4 voting no. Rob - Work item is in scope - TC should decide whether we want to work on deliverable - asserts clarification not required. Abby agrees with Paul as vote being the most efficient means to address issue. Rob - TC has to decide whether or not TC wants to do the work, and then go forward with "official" mechanism (clarification vote). Kelvin - decide as a TC how to close issue. Ask chair to work with TC Admin to determine whether OTP profile is in scope. Will (tibco) - RSA assures us that OTP is unencumbered. Kelvin - This TC is still operating under old TC rules. Paul - TC Admin will be reluctant to "rule" on scope issue. Mary - a vote by the TC to Abby (verisign) - Can we simply take a vote to see if the TC wants to do the work? Hal - Only 3 or 4 individuals typically work on profiles, so issue of TC wanting to do the work boils down to those that do the work. Kelvin - we get into situations that only a vote will break the stalemate. Pauls Proposal. Rob's work with TC admin offline. Mary said no admin ruling until a decision (vote) and appeal to admin. Ron Monzillo - decide whether we want to take on the work. (?) What is the objective of the TC following publication of the 1.1 specs. TC - conversion to new IPR rules we have 18 months to switch or vote on shifting to new. Hal - suggest a motion be made . . . Hal - propose to do work - see if TC by simple majority wants to do the work. If yes, Paul can still call for formal charter clarification resulting in formal Oasis vote. Hans - move to "vote on the amended proposal as sent out by john linn, 8.2005, WSS-OTP token profile. Hal - seconded Abby - seconded Two questions on Tony - framework or technology - unclear as to what is being proposed as input, output, and ipr. Text is unclear. Hans - input - two existing OTP proposals - RSA produced, and one that Verisign has produced - no IP on Verisign producted. This is a framework, not a mechanism. John Lynn (RSA) - conceptually parallel - a method independant framework - no proposal for a particuluar method - the methods themseleves are not in scope of this proposal. RSA - no claims at the level of the document (IPR) - no claims and no evidence of any. Input document - won't submit if doesn't comply with IP rules. Paul - have to disclose any IPR and that of any other contributor. Asked and answered by RSA and Verisign Will - proposal - do the work to create a framework who's purpose is to support a proprietary format (discussion) disputes this . . . Interop question - is there a common format to be implemented and support to enable interop testing. Three companies attest to framework - Paul - in the past - we actually physical interop testing - interop validates the framework - but underlying mechanisms don't need to be implemented by the participants.l Hal - thinks there are one or more mechanisms that could be implemented for use in interop. Only one framework in the past, and that was the core document. Paul puts the questions - Hal and Abby Seconds Kelvin - Roll Call Vote (Ron's unofficial tally:     yes  no  abstain sandhu  (no repsonse) nichol      a thurston  (no response) lockhart  y fillchuck      a witt    y levinson  y demaritni      a kafuman      a nishimuru      a chen    (no response) reid    y nakamuro      a foo    (no response) hondo  (no response) lawrence      a mcintosh    n nadalin    n williams    n flinn        a cherry  y cotton    n gaya      n gudge    n kaler      n hirsch  y baiberi    n mishra  y motokuru  y hammond  y linn    y philpott  y dubour  (no response) wenzel      a monzillo  y wailtand  y hans    y Hal - majority of non-abstenstions 14 yes - 8 no - 9 abstensions: Motion Carries) Don Flinn's official tally: Vote Details Maneesh  Sahu          Duane  Nickull         A Gene    Thurston          Hal    Lockhart     Y Denis  Pilipchuk         A Corinna  Witt       Y Rich    Levinson     Y Thomas  DeMartini         A Dana    Kaufman         A Toshihiro  Nishimura         A Kefeng  Chen          Irving  Reid       Y Kojiro  Nakayama         A Derek  Fu          Maryann  Hondo          Kelvin  Lawrence         A Mike    McIntosh       N Anthony  Nadalin       N Ron    Williams       N Don    Flinn         A Kate    Cherry     Y Paul    Cotton       N Vijay  Gajjala       N Martin  Gudgin       N Chris  Kaler       N Frederick  Hirsch     Y Abbie  Barbir       N Prateek  Mishra     Y Vamsi  Motukuru     Y Ben    Hammond     Y John    Linn       Y Rob    Philpott     Y Martijn  de Boer          Pete    Wenzel         A Ronald  Monzillo     Y John    Weiland     Y Hans    Granqvist     Y                             yes       14 no       8 abstain     9 Paul move to clarify charter to indicate OTP work is in scope (OTP one time password token profile), to add it to the deliverables. Abby - seconded Kellvin - Oasis must call the vote Mary - believes Paul is asking whether the TC needs to change the vote. Any work undertaken by the TC may be appealed to TC admin. Mary - Appeal to TC admin TC votes they would like to clarify the charter and undertake the work item with wording as to what the charter should say. You can't clarify the charter and change it - these are two separate processses. Why must whole TC take up the issue? TC has voted to create an OTP profile. Rob Philpott objects to Paul's motion. My opinion that when TC accepts work item - its supposed to be in scope. There is an appeal process whereby 3 or more can appeal. - Withdrawn Hal - agrees - Tony - you can always call for a clarification. Chris - vote on the final text of the charter clarification. Paul withdraws motion to clarify charter, Abby agrees â¢Â  â  5  Issues list review  10.4.05 10:25:16 AM Pending Review 430 - comments on the call from Mishra/Oracle: closed w/out objection 432 - : closed w/out objection 433 - : closed w/out objection 434 - schema corrections to SAML token 1.1 (scott cantor): closed w/out objection 436 - comments from Mark Wahl: closed w/out objection 437 - comments from Mark Wahl - username profile: closed w/out objection 438 - comments from Wahl - : closed w/out objection Pending 334 - XML Id Issue: Tony Nadalin to incorporate changes: closed w/out objection 404 - RFC 4120 and 1510: Tony - changes made, not on list: pending 405 - (405 done, 429 not complete- monzillo): move to PENDING REVIEW 429 - still being discussed; ron and gudge discussion, about encrypted key - related to kerberos token profile. Ref type should be changed to token type (gudge): OPEN w/out objections Kelvin - for J Hodges - 428 "closed because no action proposed" - Gudge to take AI to trace 428 and was Jeff's proposal on the table when voted. 439 - comments from J Hodges on call - referenced but not cited. Editorial Fixes - changes made, not posted (tony): Status Pending 443 - J Hodges - WSU timestamp description: made not posted (tony): PENDING OPEN 444 - WSS Page contains 10.04 errata - but have backed out certain errata. Paul requests it be taken out when fixed or adopt proposal via x.509v3 suggestion. Make errata reflect changes in 1.1 document (Paul). X.509 URI's are out of sync with current version (1.1) of the document. (Paul) Wants errata to reflect multiple decisions. (Gudge) replace "#X.509" with "#X.509v1". (Tony) we'll be breaking 1.0 versions by doing this. (Paul) by leaving the "incorrect" URI in the errata will encourage people to continue to do the wrong thing. No objections to making the errata changes (URI Only). Gudge - Net effect of three issues is to "fix" URI reference.: remains OPEN 427 - : CLOSED w/ no action w/out objections 435 - pratik sent a notice to vijay leaving a couple of items. (tony) open item of formal comback. (chris) have to close public comments - missing a few issues from public interop., related to 431: OPEN 445 - changes from erratta no included in v1 - editorial change: moved to PENDING 446 - clarification for STR transform, request someone to make changes and propose text. (Gudge takes AI): OPEN 440, 441, 443, (Chris) Wants some discussion on the list so wee can close these. â¢Â  â  6  Public review status/outlook for 1.1 final phases   â¼Â  â  7  Other business     â¼Â  â  Final Roll - Call     â¢Â  â  Mike McIntosh     â¢Â  â  Gudge   â¢Â  â  8  Adjournment  10.4.05 10:59:42 AM Motion to adjourn and second. _____________________________ PDF Version: WS-SEC TC Minutes 10.4.2005.pdf OPML Version: WS-SEC TC Minutes 10.4.2005.opml smime.p7s
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