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From: Ron Williams
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Subject: [wss] DRAFT
Minutes WSS-TC 10.4.2004
For comment and correction
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•
✓ 1 Call to order/roll call
10.4.05 9:04:28
AM
Chairs: Kelvin Lawrence,
Secretary: Don Flinn
Minutes: Ron Williams
Attendance
Attendance List
Voting Members
Maneesh Sahu
Actional
Corporation
Duane
Nickull Adobe
Hal
Lockhart BEA Systems, Inc.
Denis
Pilipchuk BEA Systems, Inc.
Corinna Witt
BEA Systems,
Inc.
Rich
Levinson Computer Associates
Thomas DeMartini ContentGuard
Dana
Kaufman Forum Systems, Inc.
Toshihiro Nishimura Fujitsu Limited
Kefeng Chen
GeoTrust
Irving Reid
Hewlett-Packard
Kojiro Nakayama Hitachi
Derek
Fu
IBM
Kelvin Lawrence IBM
Mike
McIntosh IBM
Anthony Nadalin IBM
Ron
Williams IBM
Don
Flinn
Individual
Kate
Cherry Lockheed Martin
Paul
Cotton Microsoft Corporation
Vijay
Gajjala Microsoft Corporation
Martin Gudgin Microsoft Corporation
Chris
Kaler Microsoft Corporation
Frederick Hirsch Nokia Corporation
Abbie
Barbir Nortel
Prateek Mishra Oracle Corporation
Vamsi
Motukuru Oracle Corporation
Ben
Hammond
RSA
Security
John
Linn
RSA
Security
Rob
Philpott RSA Security
Pete
Wenzel SeeBeyond
Ronald Monzillo Sun Microsystems
John
Weiland US Dept of the Navy
Hans
Granqvist VeriSign
Members
Steve
Anderson
BMC
Software
Carolina
Canales-Valenzuela
Ericsson
Jeff
Hodges
NeuStar,
Inc.
Blake
Dournaee
Sarvega
Will
Raymond
Tibco
Member that regained voting status after 10/4/05
Meeting
Steve
Anderson
BMC
Software
Jeff
Hodges
NeuStar,
Inc.
Will
Raymond
Tibco
19 REQUIRED - 31 ATTENDING - Quorum
Achieved
▼ ✓
2 Reading/Approving minutes of last
meeting (Sept 20th) [1] 10.4.05 9:13:13 AM
• ✓
Approved by
unanimous consent (no objections registered)
▼ ✓
3 Review of actions from prior meeting
minutes [1] 10.4.05 9:14:30 AM
• ✓
Actions are caught
up - closed or made issues (Kelvin)
•
✓ 4 One Time Password proposal (continue
discussion and try to reach closure)
10.4.05 9:14:37
AM
Chris - limit discussion to 30
mintues
Paul Cotton - had questions answered during
dialogue.
Paul Cotton - proposed way forward. Not convinced
work is in scope for TC. Simple procedure: Have proponents move that work on
OTP
profile is in scope,
triggering an electronic ballot to TC to determine whether or not this is to
be a deliverable.
Hans - Seems ec vote would take a long
time.
Kelvin - if such a motion was put forward - Oasis
has 15 days in which to call an electronic ballot - + 7 to 15 days for actual
vote, and Oasis is responsible for the ballot. We'd be clarifying the charter,
not amending it.
Mary - 2/3 majority required for passage, no more
than 1/4 voting no.
Rob - Work item is in scope - TC should decide
whether we want to work on deliverable - asserts clarification not
required.
Abby agrees with Paul as vote being the most
efficient means to address issue.
Rob - TC has to decide whether or not TC wants to
do the work, and then go forward with "official" mechanism (clarification
vote).
Kelvin - decide as a TC how to close
issue.
Ask chair to work with TC Admin to determine
whether OTP profile is in scope.
Will (tibco) - RSA assures us that OTP is
unencumbered.
Kelvin - This TC is still operating under old TC
rules.
Paul - TC Admin will be reluctant to "rule" on
scope issue.
Mary - a vote by the TC to
Abby (verisign) - Can we simply take a vote to see
if the TC wants to do the work?
Hal - Only 3 or 4 individuals typically work on
profiles, so issue of TC wanting to do the work boils down to those that do
the work.
Kelvin - we get into situations that only a vote
will break the stalemate. Pauls Proposal. Rob's work with TC admin offline.
Mary said no admin ruling until a decision (vote) and appeal to
admin.
Ron Monzillo - decide whether we want to take on
the work.
(?) What is the objective of the TC following
publication of the 1.1 specs.
TC - conversion to new IPR rules we have 18 months
to switch or vote on shifting to new.
Hal - suggest a motion be made . .
.
Hal - propose to do work - see if TC by simple
majority wants to do the work. If yes, Paul can still call for formal charter
clarification resulting in formal Oasis vote.
Hans - move to "vote on the amended proposal as
sent out by john linn, 8.2005, WSS-OTP token profile.
Hal - seconded
Abby - seconded
Two questions on
Tony - framework or technology - unclear as to what
is being proposed as input, output, and ipr. Text is
unclear.
Hans - input - two existing OTP proposals - RSA
produced, and one that Verisign has produced - no IP on Verisign producted.
This is a framework, not a mechanism.
John Lynn (RSA) - conceptually parallel - a method
independant framework - no proposal for a particuluar method - the methods
themseleves are not in scope of this proposal.
RSA - no claims at the level of the document
(IPR)
- no claims and no evidence
of any. Input document - won't submit if doesn't comply with IP
rules.
Paul - have to disclose any IPR and that of any
other contributor.
Asked and answered by RSA and
Verisign
Will - proposal - do the work to create a framework
who's purpose is to support a proprietary format
(discussion) disputes this . .
.
Interop question - is there a common format to be implemented and
support to enable interop testing.
Three companies attest to framework
-
Paul - in the past - we actually physical interop
testing - interop validates the framework - but underlying mechanisms don't
need to be implemented by the participants.l
Hal - thinks there are one or more mechanisms that
could be implemented for use in interop.
Only one framework in the past, and that was the
core document.
Paul puts the questions -
Hal and Abby Seconds
Kelvin - Roll Call Vote
(Ron's unofficial tally:
yes
no
abstain
sandhu
(no
repsonse)
nichol
a
thurston
(no
response)
lockhart
y
fillchuck
a
witt
y
levinson
y
demaritni
a
kafuman
a
nishimuru
a
chen
(no response)
reid
y
nakamuro
a
foo
(no response)
hondo
(no
response)
lawrence
a
mcintosh
n
nadalin
n
williams
n
flinn
a
cherry
y
cotton
n
gaya
n
gudge
n
kaler
n
hirsch
y
baiberi
n
mishra
y
motokuru
y
hammond
y
linn
y
philpott
y
dubour
(no
response)
wenzel
a
monzillo
y
wailtand
y
hans
y
Hal - majority of
non-abstenstions
14 yes - 8 no - 9 abstensions: Motion
Carries)
Don Flinn's official tally:
Vote
Details
Maneesh
Sahu
Duane
Nickull
A
Gene
Thurston
Hal Lockhart
Y
Denis
Pilipchuk
A
Corinna
Witt
Y
Rich
Levinson
Y
Thomas
DeMartini
A
Dana
Kaufman
A
Toshihiro
Nishimura
A
Kefeng
Chen
Irving
Reid
Y
Kojiro
Nakayama
A
Derek
Fu
Maryann
Hondo
Kelvin
Lawrence
A
Mike
McIntosh
N
Anthony
Nadalin
N
Ron Williams
N
Don Flinn
A
Kate
Cherry
Y
Paul
Cotton
N
Vijay
Gajjala
N
Martin
Gudgin
N
Chris
Kaler
N
Frederick
Hirsch
Y
Abbie
Barbir
N
Prateek
Mishra
Y
Vamsi
Motukuru
Y
Ben Hammond
Y
John
Linn
Y
Rob Philpott
Y
Martijn
de Boer
Pete
Wenzel
A
Ronald
Monzillo
Y
John
Weiland
Y
Hans
Granqvist
Y
yes
14
no
8
abstain
9
Paul move to clarify charter to indicate OTP work
is in scope (OTP one time password token profile), to add it to the
deliverables.
Abby - seconded
Kellvin - Oasis must call the
vote
Mary - believes Paul is asking whether the TC needs
to change the vote. Any work undertaken by the TC may be appealed to TC
admin.
Mary - Appeal to TC admin
TC votes they would like to clarify the charter and
undertake the work item with wording as to what the charter should
say.
You can't clarify the charter and change it - these
are two separate processses.
Why must whole TC take up the
issue?
TC has voted to create an OTP
profile.
Rob Philpott objects to Paul's motion. My opinion
that when TC accepts work item - its supposed to be in scope. There is an
appeal process whereby 3 or more can appeal. -
Withdrawn
Hal - agrees -
Tony - you can always call for a
clarification.
Chris - vote on the final text of the charter
clarification.
Paul withdraws motion to clarify charter, Abby
agrees
•
✓ 5 Issues list review
10.4.05 10:25:16
AM
Pending Review
430 - comments on the call from Mishra/Oracle:
closed w/out objection
432 - : closed w/out
objection
433 - : closed w/out
objection
434 - schema corrections to SAML token 1.1 (scott
cantor): closed w/out objection
436 - comments from Mark Wahl: closed w/out
objection
437 - comments from Mark Wahl - username profile:
closed w/out objection
438 - comments from Wahl - : closed w/out
objection
Pending
334 - XML Id Issue: Tony Nadalin to incorporate
changes: closed w/out objection
404 - RFC 4120 and 1510: Tony - changes made, not
on list: pending
405 - (405 done, 429 not complete- monzillo): move
to PENDING REVIEW
429 - still being discussed; ron and gudge
discussion, about encrypted key - related to kerberos token profile. Ref type
should be changed to token type (gudge): OPEN w/out
objections
Kelvin - for J Hodges - 428 "closed because no
action proposed" - Gudge to take AI to trace 428 and was Jeff's proposal on
the table when voted.
439 - comments from J Hodges on call - referenced
but not cited. Editorial Fixes - changes made, not posted (tony): Status
Pending
443 - J Hodges - WSU timestamp description: made
not posted (tony): PENDING
OPEN
444 - WSS Page contains 10.04 errata - but have
backed out certain errata. Paul requests it be taken out when fixed or adopt proposal via
x.509v3 suggestion. Make errata reflect changes in 1.1 document (Paul). X.509
URI's are out of sync with current version (1.1) of the document. (Paul) Wants
errata to reflect multiple decisions. (Gudge) replace "#X.509" with
"#X.509v1". (Tony) we'll be breaking 1.0 versions by doing this. (Paul) by
leaving the "incorrect" URI in the errata will encourage people to continue to
do the wrong thing.
No objections to making the errata changes (URI
Only).
Gudge - Net effect of three issues is to "fix" URI
reference.: remains OPEN
427 - : CLOSED w/ no action w/out
objections
435 - pratik sent a notice to vijay leaving a
couple of items. (tony) open item of formal comback. (chris) have to close
public comments - missing a few issues from public interop., related to 431:
OPEN
445 - changes from erratta no included in v1 -
editorial change: moved to PENDING
446 - clarification for STR transform, request
someone to make changes and propose text. (Gudge takes AI):
OPEN
440, 441, 443, (Chris) Wants some discussion on the
list so wee can close these.
•
❑ 6 Public review status/outlook for 1.1
final phases
▼ ✓
7 Other business
▼
✓ Final Roll - Call
• ✓
Mike
McIntosh
• ✓
Gudge
•
✓ 8 Adjournment
10.4.05 10:59:42
AM
Motion to adjourn and
second.
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