I still find this a tantalizing discussion.
My question is this:
Suppose we identify a really useful set of attributes for "doing X" and want to include it in the xml namespace. ( note: for MicroXML thats the ONLY namespace ???) ...
And suppose we really believe this is useful stuff.
Question: How sure are we that we have it right ? Once things get baked in they are pretty baked. I believe a lot of XMLish things failed because the were not quite baked before being pulled out of the oven.
Even today I am not quite convinced of the validity of a URL vs a URI.
That is, what *is* the guarantee that a URL actually can be indirected to a resource, and that resource is what we think it is ?
Of course that hasn't stopped HTML href's ... they sometimes work ok :)
So if we propose adding something useful to a new standard ... how sure are we its the right thing ? I can accept that its "optional" but if it's not well defined and not quite right then that is worse than nothing not better. I am not convinced, even looking over the shoulders of giants, that the link problem has been solved properly.
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David A. Lee
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rushforth, Peter [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:00 AM
> To: ; John Cowan
> Cc: David Carlisle;
> Subject: RE: [xml-dev] "Introducing MicroXML, Part 1: Explore the basic
> principles of MicroXML"
>
> From the abstract:
>
> "It is a goal to use the power of XML to create a structure that can describe the
> simple unidirectional hyperlinks of today's HTML as well as more sophisticated
> multi-ended, typed, self-describing links."
>
> This seems to have two contradictory goals, really. Simplicity, yet complexity.
>
> I don't know, but what might The Rule of Least Power [1] say about the issue?
> I would think it would be something like enabling XML with the most power by
> limiting the complexity of the approach, rather than using the full power of
> XML to "solve" the problem.
>
> Peter
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/leastPower.html
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Liam R E Quin [mailto:]
> > Sent: July 3, 2012 02:04
> > To: John Cowan
> > Cc: David Carlisle;
> > Subject: Re: [xml-dev] "Introducing MicroXML, Part 1: Explore
> > the basic principles of MicroXML"
> >
> > On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 01:18 -0400, John Cowan wrote:
> > > Liam R E Quin scripsit:
> > >
> > > > The right thing would have been to have taken the architectural
> > > > forms idea from HyTime and XMLified it, solving the additional
> > > > problem of "link discovery". That's with 20-20 hindsight.
> > >
> > > The original version of XLink *was* AF-based. See
> > > http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-xml-link-970731 .
> >
> > Yes, kinda (not using PIs) but in a very SGML/DTD way, not
> > surprisingly given when the work was being done (I was
> > actually on the WG for a while). Thanks for the reminder, I
> > had indeed forgotten that stage.
> >
> > Liam
> >
> >
> > --
> > Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C,
> > http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books:
> > http://fromoldbooks.org/
> > Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
> >
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