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[Don Day]

Attached are minutes I recorded of today's meeting. Note the provided links and the closing suggestions for prep for the next meeting (in two weeks, same time). -- Don R. Day Co-Founder, ContelligenceGroup.com Founding Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee LinkedIn: donrday    Twitter: @donrday About.me: Don R. Day    Skype: don.r.day Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information? --T.S. Eliot Minutes of Lightweight DITA Subcommittee--kickoff meeting 15 Sept 2014 taken by Don Day Michael took roll (Don's list: Mark Giffin, Tim Grantham, Stan Doherty, Kris Eberlein, Tom Comerford, Chris Nitchie, Mark Poston, Adran Warman, Michael Priestley, Don Day, Joe Pairman) Michael started off with a presentation overview of the project's design points. (NOTE: the minutes are not reiterating content that is in the slides; trying to capture his add-on commentary) From a last year's presentation (ended by more recent slides): [Was apparently one of these; Michael will be providing links as well.] http://www.slideshare.net/mpriestley/lw-dita20130424 http://www.slideshare.net/mpriestley/a-lightweight-dita-update * Goal to accomodate a common architecture, a lighter weight starting point that can be customized as needed by any community. [Note from Don: hearing variant terminology that we'll need to define and manage our messages around: "extend" vs "specialize" vs "customize" vs "subset" etc.] * Reviewed some common scenarios: contribution, collaboration, adoption, etc.. * IBM perspective is to have it as a standard portable format across the enterprise (any source, any channel). * Reviewed analysis of initial design: indeed a lighter cognitive load for users (Don doubts the architecture is eased much!). * Note that Information Mapping has never come through on IP contribution, so that is currently out of scope. * To make the architecture lighter as well, the DTD base is actually a subset (not a constraint using the full current DTDs). * Deeper dive: * Michael noted that we are learning more by use about necessary base content (eg, relaxation of prolog constraints). * Titles in topicrefs are a work in progress--new version needs testing. * Mentioned increased interest in learning and training types for commonly used content. * Why lightweight DITA? * Goal to increase size of DITA ecosystem within a company; benefits everybody (users and vendors). 2nd presentation: Does DITA need XML? ( http://www.slideshare.net/mpriestley/does-dita-need-xml-lightweight-dita-and-html5 ) * Adrian mentioned a markdown trend toward CommonMark that we need to watch. * Joe Pairman mentioned that the goal is for something more specified than the original daringfireballs site. * Mark Giffin mentioned Oreilly Atlas (asciidoc), a more booklike approach. Open for discussion: * Nitchie: is DITA 1.3 a reasonable target for interchange? Michael suggested some * Jang: interop between full and lw dita: is it feasible to have non-disruptive mapping from one version to another? (ie, hide markup within the editor) * Michael viewed that scenario as different from the value proposition in LWD: enabling different tools to be deployed. * Kris foresees other common tools like Outlook being able to support LWD under the hood. * Kris noted how googledoc can save as ODF; could it save as LWD someday. * Don added notion of weight and directness of content as a hindrance. * Michael added more concerns about roundtripping. Take to list. Kris suggested looking into future meetings. * Michael Is biweekly okay? yes. This time? yes, (except for Stan) * We have a plan. Look at Michael's list of deliverables ( https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita-lightweight-dita/201409/msg00004.html ). * [Note from Don: OASIS subcommittee expectations: https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#subcommittees ] * What is your interest in LWD? Motivating use cases? * Kris suggest that Michael use email to kick this off. Related lists for public discussion: dita.xml.org - http://dita.xml.org/blog/lightweight-dita LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/groups/Lightweight-DITA-4943862 Yahoo - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/lightweight-DITA (not working when tested just now) Adjourned at 12 Eastern.