Re: DOCBOOK: Markup for personal names

[Horacio <homega@ciberia.es>]

[messing up a bit]

On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Wroth, M. LTC         MATH wrote:

> <personalname><givenname>Mark</givenname><secondname>B.</secondname><surname>Wroth</surname><lineal>Jr</lineal></personalname>

I much prefer <forename> to <givenname>, and the simpler <name>
to <personalname>.

> and
> 
> <personalname>Mark B. Wroth Jr</personalname>

This one sounds fair as a standalone element.

> nickname: a personal name, usually bestowed by others.  In some
> cases it is used in place of, and in others in addition to, the
> given name.  Usually informal.
> 
informal like "the Ripper"? ;)

> locative: a name element indicating a place of origin or
> residence.  Can be viewed as a form of nickname, but is almost
> always used in addition to a personal name of some sort.

Right, like Geoffrey of Monmouth.

> patronymic (or matronymic): a name indicating who one's parent
> is.  It may serve the function of a surname (e.g. Icelandic
> practice) or it may be used as a nickname (e.g. Russian
> practice).

In Spain we use a "first surname" (the father�s surname) and a
"second surname", whereas in Portugal the father�s surname goes
in second place and the mother�s in first place.

This is confusing in anglo-saxon countries, as I used to be given
my forename, then my "first surname" as an initial, then my
"second surname" as my only surname, in official documents and
others.

I could use an attribute for the surname element.(*)

> lineal marker: a particle added to distinguish between members
> of the same lineage with the same name (e.g. "junior/senior").
> 
> honorific: a spoken form used in address (e.g. "Mr.", "Dr",
> "the Honorable")
> 
> title: a reference to rank held by the individual.  This may be
> a form of address (e.g. most military ranks), but need not be:
> there are a number of ranks where the form of address used is
> not obviously related to the rank itself).

Wouldn�t it be simpler to include �role� attribute in the
honorific element, like "academic", "military", "religious",
... ?

> common attribute: 
> 	position (shows the place in the name order the word
> 	normally appears)
> 
> Element given
> 	attributes: role (e.g. baptismal, nickname, locative ...)
> 
> Element surname
> 	May contain itself (e.g. <surname><surname>Vega</surname>
> 	y <surname>Asturias</surname></surname>

(*)
<surname lineage="paternal"> vs. <surname lineage="maternal">

Some countries will use other ways to give surnames.  In old
times it was common for someone to bear a form of the father�s
forename as the surname:

Rodrigo -> Rodriguez, Herman -> Hermansson

This might deserve an attribute for History docs.

Also, in anglo-saxon countries (and other countries) the bride is
given the groom�s name after marrying, so:

<surname lineage="marital">

BTW, while Italians use only one surname, an Italian friend of
mine "adopted" his godfather�s surname as he wanted to honour
hime this way.  So, "Riccardo Martini" became "Riccardo Bellini
Martini"... for which case:

<name>
<forename>Riccardo</forename>
<surname lineage="acquired">Bellini</surname>
<surname lineage="paternal">Martini</surname>
</name>

Other complex cases could be:

<name>
<forename role="religious">John Paul <line>II</line></forename>,
n�e <name><forename>Karol</forename>
<surname>Wojtila</surname></name>
</name>

(may be other religious leaders do take names too... the Lamas
do... and Christian nuns too).


Regards,
-- 
Horacio