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Hi Chris, I spoke with Ian earlier today, who is also currently under restrictions for travel, though his may be lifted by Oct 1 to 5. (I think I am reporting this accurately; he did have his Orlando flight scratched...) Apparently there were backup dates that Messaging agreed to. But I believe that they were for the next week of October (i.e., the second week). Would the travel restrictions be lifted by the second week of October? (I suspect the answer will be "who knows?") We (CPPA and MSG) were arranging teleconference options. If the majority are going to call in, though, it somewhat defeats the value of scheduling a face to face. Ian also expressed concern that the December Messaging submission goal could slip if the October f2f slipped. Because CPPA has scheduled a joint day, we may need to reschedule if the Messaging group changes its plans. I am going to poll CPPA to see if travel bans are emerging to impace f2f attendance. Dale Moberg