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Subject: Re: [legalcitem-courts] Usecase--US Federal Courts draft
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Frank responded to my Wednesday email
with some really useful thoughts. I'm interested in hearing what
others on the SC think about it all. For convenience, I'm replying
to both emails from Frank in one response, so I moved the content
around a bit.
On 12/11/2014 04:27 PM, Frank Bennett wrote: In US practice, Bluebook rule 10.2 is what usually governs. The AALL Universal Citation Guide, 3d, in its rule 101, says case names should conform to it, or to ALWD Manual rule 12.2. The Univ. of Chicago's Maroon Book's rule 4.2 is similar, only MUCH simpler. In short, there is a formula. I like the idea of a resolver. Sort of like an authority record in cataloging.On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Frank Bennett <biercenator@gmail.com> wrote: Not always an integer. Sometimes reporter volumes are issued in parts, e.g., 245A, 245B, 245C, etc. This usually happens in the NRS when volumes are still in prep, and temporary paperback volumes are released piecemeal. I think a canonical list of full reporter names and abbreviations would be the way to go. I don't think it necessary to break out the series....treat them as separate entries. In US practice, I have never seen a non-integer page number for a case (roman numbers for intro parts of reporter, but not for cases). I think we could type it as an integer. In neutral citations, the pinpoint is usually to a paragraph number, not a page. That is a really good question. I had been assuming full description, but your comment is making me rethink that. The year of decision is the year of publication by the court by definition. The "publication" date is not the date the reporter was published. An interesting question is how to deal with changes made by the court after the decision is published, but before the print official reporter hits the streets. (SCOTUS is infamous for this : http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/us/final-word-on-us-law-isnt-supreme-court-keeps-editing.html ) I suppose that type of info can go in the parenthetical string at the end of the citation. See my comments under 6 & 7 above. Again with the great question....I think it should be explicit. It seems to me that all court citations should be similar, to make parsing easier among other reasons. This is the crux. I had been assuming (a) or maybe (b). So I went to the TechSC's latest draft and reread it:*** I guess a threshold question is the scope of the spec: (a) Does it aim to express the elements of all existing printed citations (this is also Brian's question, I think); or (b) Does it aim to specify only the elements of all printed citations needed to uniquely identify the resource; or (c) Does it aim to specific only the minimum elements (or combination of elements) needed to uniquely identify the resource? If the aim is the enrichment of document content with RDF-style links to meaningful text elements, that suggests (a). If the aim is to support parsers capable to linking specifically to cases, that suggests (b) -- this is the aim of the CourtListener database from which the LRR is derived. If the aim is to provide guidance for the construction of resolvers and data to feed to them, that suggests (c). My understanding is that this is what we're aiming for, but I could be wrong. Frank " It is NOT the purpose of this TC to establish a proposed syntax for citations." " The relevant task of every subcommittee is therefore to identify types and roles of FRBR entities in their document classes, and classify features according to different levels of a layered model of the document." "Also, subcommittees should also identify how the references to documents of their classes are impacted by the layered view of documents.... It will be a rare case indeed the citation (and therefore the need for a reference) pointing to an FRBR Item (i.e., to a specific file on a specific computer at a specific IP address) or to an FRBR Manifestation (i.e., to a specific characterization in a specific file format of a document). Most frequently a citation points to a legal document existing on a different conceptual layer and in a different level of reality than the physical copies it is embodied by, or by the data formats in which each copy is expressed. More frequently, therefore the citation will identify a document at a more abstract level, e.g., an FRBR _expression_ when the citation is to a specific version or variant of the document, or an FRBR Work when the citation is to all these versions or variants, or to the one that is identified through a possibly complex contextualization process. In these cases, therefore, the citation MUST be converted to a reference to a Work or an _expression_, which is resolved into the physical Locator of the Item only when needed, therefore separating the legal aspects of the identification of the correct version and variant of a document from the technical aspects of the dereferencing of a resource on the World Wide Web." So what info does our part of the spec need to convey? Our citations will be identifying cases/other court docs at the FRBR Work level and at the FRBR _expression_ level, methinks. A "print" citation would be on the _expression_ level, no?
Where does pinpoint (page or para numbers) fit into this? The
citation is to the work as a whole, but also (usually, or mostly) to
specific language in that work. What do you all think? -- John Quentin Heywood heywood@american.edu |
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