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Subject: Re: [openc2] Re: Standing Rule 4: Election and Term of OpenC2 Co-chairs
Hi, one reflection of mine on the "larger movement": As a standing rule I think many things are good (per TC) but as wholesale OASIS rule not to elect for life to me seems to cover not those initiatives that needed an extra push to reach the initial goal (transitions from intra and inter corporate "groups" into OASIS sometimes expose a certain loss of momentum) so in this case I imagine for myself it would ahve been an awkward feeling to provide volontary service pro bono and at the same time have the stale ideas of management by objectives hanging around - but anyway you guys will know what you need to propell OpenC2 best "direction future". All the best, Stefan Am 06.12.18 um 15:04 schrieb Chet Ensign:
Hi Duncan - actually, the rule isn't that the TC is disbanded. If a TC
has no chair, it simply has to stop all other work until a new chair is
elected. If the chair seat remains vacant for more than 120 days, TC
Admin may close the TC (but not 'must').
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:54 AM duncan sfractal.com <http://sfractal.com>
<duncan@sfractal.com <mailto:duncan@sfractal.com>> wrote:
One more point in support of staggered terms. My understanding of
OASIS rules is that the TC disbands if it does not have at least one
chair. By staggering the terms we avoid a lot of clauses weâd have
to add about the current chair staying in place in the event the
term expires without an election having reached a majority for the
new chair.____
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Duncan Sparrell____
sFractal Consulting LLC____
iPhone, iTypo, iApologize____
I welcome VSRE emails. Learn more at http://vsre.info/____
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*From: *TC OpenC2 <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
<mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>> on behalf of
"duncan@sfractal.com <mailto:duncan@sfractal.com>"
<duncan@sfractal.com <mailto:duncan@sfractal.com>>
*Date: *Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 7:45 PM
*To: *TC OpenC2 <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
<mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>>
*Subject: *[openc2] Standing Rule 4: Election and Term of OpenC2
Co-chairs __ __
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I would like to reiterate several points Joe mentioned and propose
some changes.____
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According to standard OASIS practices, elections are for life terms
and I wholeheartedly support periodic re-elections. I have even
suggested this to OASIS as a whole for all TCâs and my understanding
is this is under consideration. Since OASIS uses 2 year terms for
OASIS Board, I think two year terms is very appropriate. I think
the SR wording should be changed to 2 years instead of 24 months. 24
months implies a precision that I donât think is intended. OASIS
Board uses 2 years and I think that is what we should use.____
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I think staggering terms by 1 year is better than potentially
changing both cochairs at same time. It also makes the election
easier (just voting for one position). I do think the âcurrentâ
terms should run until June so the current chairs can serve their
full two years (ie no need to cut it short). So I propose the SR be
modified to June. This would also give us time to do nominations one
meeting, election next (January seems rushed).____
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I am against term-limits. People should be allowed to continue if
they want to and if the group wants them to,____
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Election of a cochair requires a majority of voting members voting
for one candidate. I think âinstant runoffâ is both more fair and
more time-efficient if there are 3 or more candidates for a
position. Instead of voting for a single candidate, you rank order
your choices. This is considered more fair by many involved with
elections. It is more likely to support âthe will of the peopleâ
when there are âsplit voteâ scenarios. More importantly from our
viewpoint, it may save having to vote again if no winner in round 1.
Note it may even help if only two candidates and enough people
considered their second choice acceptable enough to include. I
recognize instant runoff may be logistically challenging to do by
January (but we could potentially do by June or in future
elections).____
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I propose the election of the TC cochair occur prior to the cochairs
in the agenda. I assume this would be the case (was in the inaugural
TC meeting) but worth stating,____
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Duncan Sparrell____
sFractal Consulting LLC____
iPhone, iTypo, iApologize____
I welcome VSRE emails. Learn more at http://vsre.info/____
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*From: *TC OpenC2 <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
<mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>> on behalf of Joseph Brule
<jmbrule@radium.ncsc.mil <mailto:jmbrule@radium.ncsc.mil>>
*Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:53 AM
*To: *TC OpenC2 <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
<mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>>
*Subject: *[openc2] Standing Rule 4: Election and Term of OpenC2
Co-chairs ____
____
OpenC2 Technical Committee, ____
____
Please refer to the November 13 email, subject âAdopt a standing
rule to define 'duration of term' for the Technical and Subcommittee
co-chairsâ____
____
I have not heard any objections to the principle of having a defined
term and regularly scheduled elections for the co-chairs, in fact
the feedback I have received so far is supportive. ____
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At our next meeting (December 19), I will make a motion to create a
ballot for our forth standing rule. The standing rule will require
a full majority to pass (that is greater than 50% of the voting
members must vote yes). ____
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Here is a draft of SR-4. Please do violence with your red pens. ____
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SR-4: Election and term of OpenC2 Co-chairs____
__1. __The Technical Committee (TC) and each subcommittee (SC)
shall elect two co-chairs ____
__a. __A co-chairâs term shall be 24 months____
__b. __The period of each co-chair for the TC or an SC is
offset by 12 months ____
__2. __The TC shall hold open elections in the month of
January ____
__c. __All TC members (to include the incumbent co-chairs
whose terms are up) are eligible for nomination to an office____
__d. __In the event of a vacancy (such as a co-chair stepping
down prior to the conclusion of their term), a replacement will be
elected to complete the term ____
____
Here are some initial comments that I have received. Please provide
your comments and your opinion on the comments received. ____
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Duncan Sparrell suggested that we hold the elections in June (rather
than January) to coincide with the month that the TC was stood up.
I picked January for no particular reason and I do not have a strong
opinion. If anyone has a preference, let me know. ____
____
Duncan Sparrell suggested that we conduct the election via an
âInstant Runoffâ mechanism. For those who are unfamiliar with the
instant runoff procedures, refer to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting. I am fine with
the notion of using instant runoffs, but that would merit its own SR
(I think) because voting applies to more than just co-chair
elections. We could add a line after point five along the lines of
âIn the event that there are three or more candidates for a single
position, then the instant runoff procedures as described in SR-X
shall be usedâ. ____
____
Bret Jordan suggested that we remove the offset, i.e. all co-chair
positions come up for election simultaneously. I think there is
value in the offset for continuity of operations. There is also a
practical issue; We have a total of eight co-chairs, there could be
a challenge in finding eight volunteers simultaneously. ____
____
Bret Jordan suggested that we not allow a person to serve as
co-chair for two consecutive terms. The guidance I received from
Chet Ensign in this matter was âI discussed this with the Board's
Process Committee when it first came up. We agree that holding
periodic chair elections didn't violate the TC Process so long as
everyone could stand including the current chairs. There is nothing
in the rules at present would give us grounds for hard term limitsâ ____
____
Bret Jordan suggested another standing rule that any one
organization is not permitted to have more than one co-chair in the
TC at a time. My opinion: At the OASIS Technical Committee level,
membership is based on individuals, not organizations, that is 1
member = one vote, not one company=1 vote, therefore I do not see
the basis nor agree with the notion of limiting member
participation. ____
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Thank you ____
____
VR____
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Joe Brule ____
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_____________________________________________
*From:* Brule, Joseph M
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:10 AM
*To:* 'openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
<mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>' <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
<mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>>
*Subject:* Adopt a standing rule to define 'duration of term' for
the Technical and Subcommittee co-chairs____
____
____
OpenC2 Technical Committee, ____
____
The co-chairs have been discussing a proposed standing rule for our
technical committee to define the duration of a co-chair's term.
Currently, the OASIS procedures define at most two co-chairs for a
technical committee or subcommittee, however the length of a
co-chair's term is undefined. ____
____
A proposal was made to adopt a standing rule. The rule would:____
__Â __Define the length of the term as two years, ____
__Â __Offset the terms by 12 months for the two co-chairs so
that an election is held for one of them every 12 months.____
__Â __The TC would hold open elections every 12 months for
all TC and SC chairs whose terms are up. ____
__Â __All TC members (including incumbents) are eligible for
nomination for an office (i.e. the current officer is not term
limited) ____
__Â __In the event of a vacancy (such as a co-chair step
down prior to the conclusion of their term), a replacement will be
elected to complete the term. ____
____
I think scheduled elections will provide a greater opportunity for
diverse members to become co-chairs and infuse the effort with new
perspectives. I think the offset will build in continuity of
operations. ____
____
Among the co-chairs, I have heard no objections to the proposed
standing rule (in fact those who have shared their opinion are
supportive) and I took the liberty of asking Chet Ensign if it would
be OK from an OASIS perspective. OASIS does not have an issue if we
adopt a standing rule along these lines. ____
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I will take the liberty of drafting a standing rule and will release
it for comment in the near future. I do request your opinion in this
matter. Obviously we will discuss the matter at the TC monthly but
your insight and opinion in advance would be most appreciated. If
you do not feel comfortable stating your opinion openly, I will
respect your wish and I will present the perspective anonymously on
your behalf. ____
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Please consider this proposal. ____
____
Very Respectfully, ____
____
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Joe Brule____
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