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Subject: Raw chat log of 2009-10-12 telcon
Mark Combellack: - Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j
- Appointment of scribe. List attached below
- Agenda bashing
- Approval of minutes for 28th September 2009 and 2nd October 2009
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34440/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-09-28.doc
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34508/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-10-05.doc
0. Administration
- Issue Status: Open: 21
- SCA-J CAA and C&I Public Review ended on 7th August 2009
1. Review action items:
Action Items that I believe are done:
Action Items that I believe are still to be done:
2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as
discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62
2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the
WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62
2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can
consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how
the conversion of property values happens
2009-07-13-03: Anish to create a proposal for the list of annotations
which make sense for JAVA-166
2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType
introspection (JAVA-5
2009-07-27-02: Mike E to prepare set of slides for Issue 127
2009-09-28-05: Dave to look at unstated prereqs for JCI-TA-8005/8006
2. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (JAA and C&I)
a. JAVA-184: Method Exclusion
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-184
Latest proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200910/msg00075.html (Bryan)
MS Word:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34603/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.doc
PDF:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34604/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.pdf
3. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (Spring/EJB/JEE)
a. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA
runtime should load multiple application context files.
JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification should mention how implicit
services should be determined for special bean definitions
JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification should use "id" of the bean
to uniquely identify a bean instead of its name
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175
Latest proposal containing updates for JAVA-150, JAVA-173 and JAVA-175 (Ram)
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34575/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD04-Issue173-175-150_v2.doc
(Ram)
4. New Issues (Requires Quorm)
a. JAVA-186: JCI50002 and JCI50005 are not well written
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-186
Proposal in Jira (Dave)
b. JAVA-187: JCA30008 is unnecessary
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-187
Proposal in Jira (Dave)
c. JAVA-188: Schema type for JavaInterface has duplicate remotable
attribute against the base Interface
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-188
Proposal in Jira (Raymond)
Alternative proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200910/msg00043.html (Dave)
d. JAVA-189: Normative statement JCA90014 has the wrong form
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-189
Proposal in Jira (Mike)
5. Test Cases and Test Assertions Documents (For review)
a. CAA Test Cases document
See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200910/msg00084.html
PDF:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34614/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd11.pdf
(Mike/Dave)
ODT:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34613/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd11.odt
b. CAA Test Assertions document
ODT:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34610/sca-j-caa-1.1-test-assertions-wd09.odt
(Mike)
c. SCA Pojo CI Test Assertions document
First pass of the Test Assertions document for SCA POJO CI specification
(Dave)
Continued: Previously completed section 8
See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00094.html
PDF (updated):
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34445/SCA_POJO_CI_Test_Assertions_2.pdf
ODT (updated):
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34444/SCA_POJO_CI_Test_Assertions_2.odt
d. EJB Binding Test Assertions document
First pass of the Test Assertions document for the SCA EJB Binding
specification (Dave)
See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00004.html
PDF:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34028/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.pdf
ODT:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34029/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.odt
6. Issues waiting for updated proposals (JAA and C&I)
a. JAVA-127: Long running request/response operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-127
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200812/msg00089.html
Waiting for presentation slides (Mike)
b. JAVA-168: Conversion rules for property values are not specified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-168
Proposed direction:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00004.html
Waiting for full proposal (Simon)
c. JAVA-46: equals() method on ServiceReference and CallableReference
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-46
Waiting for updated proposal (Mark)
d. JAVA-54: Section 7.1 of the Java CAA Specification is unclear
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-154
Waiting for proposal (Mike)
e. JAVA-62: Clarify what a Component Implementation can do with threads
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-62
Waiting for proposal (Mark)
f. JAVA-155: Inconsistent normative statements in Chapter 10
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-155
Discuss - What do we do next?
Waiting for updated proposal (Simon)
g. JAVA-171: Duplicate normative statements in Java CI and Java CAA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-171
Waiting for updated proposal (Dave)
h. JAVA-179: Need type support for @Property when used with SDO
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-179
Proposal in Jira as 2 word documents (Dave)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10541/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03%2Bissue179.doc
http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10540/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev1%2Bissue179.doc
Simon's JAXB annotation investigation:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00024.html
Waiting for updated proposal (Dave)
7. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE)
a. JAVA-114: Spring CI runtime behaviour when annotation rules are violated
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-114
Proposal in Jira
Blocked by JAVA-166
b. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not say anything about SCA annotations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166
Waiting for list of Annotations (Anish Action Item)
c. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations
in web modules not specified explicitly
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109
Proposal in Jira
Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi)
d. JAVA-182: SCA Spring C & I specs needs to refactor text under
abstract and introduction
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-182
No proposal (Ram)
e. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174
f. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of a
component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91
Waiting for updated proposal (Mike)
g. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is
calculated
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93
Waiting for updated proposal (Anish)
h. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108
Waiting for updated proposal
i. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the
implementation.jee element needs fixing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88
No proposal
Plamen to check whether on his informal JEE issues list
8. AOB
a. Straggler roll call
---------------------------------------------------------------
Rotating scribe list:
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (12)
Graham Charters IBM (5)
Yang Lei IBM (11)
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (3)
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (13)
Simon Nash Individual (11)
Bryan Aupperle IBM (17)
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (15)
Mike Edwards IBM (14)
Mark Combellack: As Dave is not on the call today - I am hoping that he
has arranged with someone from IBM to start the call for us.
Mike Edwards: Bryan - are you able to start the call?
Bryan Aupperle: I'm trying to find the moderator passcode...
Bryan Aupperle: Found it. Give me a sec to redial.
Mike Edwards: I can't dial in at the moment
Mike Edwards: I am at a Rational conference and there is no mobile phone
signal - we are in a conference area well below ground level
Mike Edwards: Do you need me to call in to make quorum?
Bryan Aupperle: OI must have an ole one. I'm still looking...
Mark Combellack: Yes but I don't think we will achieve quorum - looks
like we have 3 of the 5 required voting members
Mark Combellack: (9 voting members in roster atm)
Mark Combellack: 5 people will loose voting rights today if they do not
get on the roll for the call
Mike Edwards: k - I will have to go outside but that means losing
internet access I think
Bryan Aupperle: I cannot find the correct passcode.
Bryan Aupperle: I think we will need a different callin #
Mike Edwards: Bryan - I may have it
Bryan Aupperle: Let use this
Bryan Aupperle: CountryToll-free (IBM Pays)Toll (Caller Pays)
Australia 1-800-24-2283
Austria0800-292-738 +43 179576264
Belgium0800-7-3026+32 22006114
Canada 877-421-0033770-615-1250
China North
China South 10800-711-0770
10800-110-0713
Czech Republic 800-143-241 +420-272-133-001 or
+420-533-413-001
Denmark80-888377+45 38323070
Finland0800-914-630+358 972519061
France0800-902366+33 157323040 or
+33 157323041
Germany0800-181-6323+49 6951709081
Greece 00-800-11-004-9793
Hungary 06-800-16-381
India 000-800-100-1156
Ireland1800-558728+353 16569209
Israel 1-809-317-098 +972-3-9165956
Italy800-788634+39 0269430413
Mexico 877-421-0033770-615-1250
Netherlands0800-022-8558+31 202008077
Norway800-18373+47 24159528
PolandIBM PlusGSM mobile 85400+48 22 366 5400 or
+48 22 609 5400
Portugal 800-8-11111
Russia 8-10-800-2-172-10-44
Slovakia +421-2-4954-6539 or
+421-2-4964-9935
South Africa 0800-981-078
Spain900-95-1089+34 912754171
Sweden020-799414+46 850163259
Switzerland0800-564-331+41 446545620
United Kingdom0808-234-1969+44 2070260533
USA877-421-0033770-615-1250
Bryan Aupperle: Passcode: 247317
Mark Combellack: OK - SCA-J call moving to numbers listed above
Mark Combellack: See you all there in a moment or two
Mike Edwards: k
Mark Combellack: so far on the new number we have myself and Ram
Mark Combellack: Mike - are you dialling into the number or are you
sticking with internet access?
Mike Edwards: no signal yet
Mark Combellack: ok
Mike Edwards: I am trying to get my mobile going
anish: Scribe: Anish Karmarkar
anish: scribeNice: anish
anish: scribeNick: anish
anish: Not quorate, yet
anish: Topic: admin
anish: 21 open issues, CI and CAA PR ended 7th aug
anish: Topic: AI
anish: no change to status of AIs
anish: Topic: Issue 184
anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-184
Latest proposal: (Bryan)
MS Word:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34603/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.doc
PDF:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34604/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.pdf
anish: Bryan explains his proposal
Mark Combellack: If you are just trying to join the conference - we have
moved number see above
anish: Did a complete survey of JAX-WS annotations and looked at each
annotation and its properties and analyzed its impact on the mapping
anish: This is in section 11.1
anish: text in bold has an impact on mapping
anish: what i have not yet done is, not talked about the fact that the
jax-ws annotations have to be processed
anish: * The meeting is now quorate *
anish: Bryan discusses the text in bold
Mark Combellack: 6 of 9 voting members now on call
anish: Anish: ed issue about MUST and JCA100010
anish: ... what does wsdlLocation do and how does one know which
portType, for example, one should use
Mike Edwards: I've dropped
Mike Edwards: redialling
Mike Edwards: back
anish: ... wrt @webMethod what happens if a method is excluded, this
affects the wiring rules that we currently have for java-to-java
matching. Need to have to reference from the wiring rules section to here
anish: Anish: question about @WebParam, how does the header work for
round tripping
anish: Bryan: JAX-WS takes care of that
anish: Bryan explains Table 11-2
anish: Bryan: do folks like this direction and should we flesh out all
the details
Mike Edwards: I am having real trouble keeping on the call
anish: Anish: i agree that this is the right direction
anish: Mark: this is now becoming complex
Mike Edwards: I would not encourage people to use this
anish: Anish: we need to decide whether we do want to follow Jax-WS,
which is what we currently say, or create expections
Mike Edwards: but if interfaces are already written this way...
anish: Mark: is complex, but hasn't quite reached a 'too complex' point
anish: Mike: if folks have these kind of interfaces then we need to
decide what to do. But should not encourage folks to use this
anish: Anish: i see two options: either follow all the rules that jax-ws
defined. It is the definitive way to map to WSDL in the java-world or
say that we don't support certain JAX-WS annotations in SCA and reject
the classes
anish: Mike: need to think about supporting classes created using say AXIS
anish: Bryan: need to do more ed clean, and some other specs need
corresponding changes
anish: ... will wait making those till we have an agreement on what to
do here
anish: Mark: pl. go ahead and do that (changes to the proposal)
anish: Topic: approval of minutes
anish: - Approval of minutes for 28th September 2009 and 2nd October 2009
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34440/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-09-28.doc
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34508/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-10-05.doc
anish: both minutes are approved w/o
anish: Topic: issue 150/173/175
anish: a. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how
SCA runtime should load multiple application context files.
JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification should mention how implicit
services should be determined for special bean definitions
JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification should use "id" of the bean to
uniquely identify a bean instead of its name
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175
Latest proposal containing updates for JAVA-150, JAVA-173 and JAVA-175 (Ram)
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34575/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD04-Issue173-175-150_v2.doc
(Ram)
anish: Ram explains his proposal
Mike Edwards: which paragraph???
anish: line 407 in my version of word
Mark Combellack: I'm lookin at lines 388
Mark Combellack: second to last paragraph in 2.4
Mark Combellack lowered your hand
anish: Anish: what does 'must not allow' mean
anish: Ram: should throw an error
anish: Anish: in sca spec, in such cases, we make the artifact
non-conformant and require SCA runtime to generate an error
anish: Mark: we need to correst the 'must not allow' language
anish: Anish: there is nothing mandatory here
anish: Mike: they are mentioned elsewhere
Ramkumar R: got dropped off... will dial back
Mark Combellack: ok
anish: Anish: SPR40005 and SPR40006 seem to be the 2119 language for
multipel context
anish: Mike: For issue 150, it is just changes to section 2.4
Mark Combellack: My question is what changes in the document are related
to each individual issue
anish: Mike: changes for 173 are in section 3
anish: Mike: 175 is just one line in section 3 "@name attribute value is
the value of the @id attribute of the <bean/> element if setpresent,
otherwise it is the first name from the value of @name attribute of the
<bean/> element"
anish mike, the voice quality is very bad
Mike Edwards: its worse than that - it has dropped completely
Mike Edwards: again
Mike Edwards: I give up sice it is nearly on the hour
anish: Mark: for next call, I'll tee up 173 and 175 first as it is much
smaller and then proceed to 150
anish: Topic: AOB and straggler roll
anish: no AOB
anish: Meeting adjourned
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