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Subject: Oasis SSTC Meeting Minutes (Oct 7, 2008)
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sstc/saml concall minutes Tue Oct 7 09:09:50 PDT 2008
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co-chair Brian Campbell (bc) presiding.
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Action Item Summary:
* AI -- Dave Staggs & Duane DeCouteau to revise XSPA SAML Profile doc,
incorp'g
ScottC's comments, and re-publish to list.
> > Note: Fixed link to 9/23 minutes and added several items to section 2.
> >
> > Proposed Agenda SSTC Conference Call
> > October 7, 2008, 12:00pm ET
> >
> > Dial in info: +1 215 446 3648
> > Access code 270-9441#
> >
> > Roll Call & Agenda Review
Roll call:
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Voting Members:
Brian Campbell Ping Identity
Scott Cantor Internet2
Jeff Hodges Individual
Ari Kermaier Oracle
Hal Lockhart BEA Systems, Inc
Paul Madsen NTT Corporation
Frederick Hirsch Nokia
Tom Scavo NCSA
David Staggs Veteran's Health Admin
Eric Tiffany Liberty Alliance Project
George Fletcher AOL
Srinath Godavarthi Nortel
John Bradley Individual
Duane DeCouteau Veteran's Health Admin
Anil Saldhana Red Hat
Brett Burley Veteran's Health Admin
Kent Spaulding Tripod Technology Group
Members:
Bob Morgan Internet2
Emily Xu Sun Microsystems
Peter Davis NeuStar
Quorum Reached: 17 out of 20 Voting Members
Membership Status Changes: Gained Voting Status (Emily Xu and Peter
Davis). Lost Voting Status (Nate Klingenstein)
> >
> > Need a volunteer to take minutes
=JeffH (jh) volunteered.
> > 1. Minutes from SSTC/SAML concall September 23, 2008
> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/security-services/200809/msg00052.html
duly approved by unanimous consent.
> > 2. Document Status
> >
> > 2.1 Subject-based Profiles for SAML V1.1 Assertions
> > http://wiki.oasis-open.org/security/SamlSubjectProfiles
> > New CS ballot set to close end of 10/6 and currently has 74% 'yes'
ballot appears to be successful.
will do ballot for a CS version after we hear from Mary, yes Tom?
tom scavo (ts): yes
> > 2.2 SAML V2.0 Holder-of-Key Assertion Profile (draft 4)
> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/security-services/200810/msg00006.html
bc: TS had too questions wrt this item... followup on list or now?
ts: scott brought up the encoding issue, consider this open, this is the
most
important issue at this point.
Scott Cantor (sc): don't know if there's any parts of w3c sec group on this
call, but tried to relay on the list...seems the w3c folk want to keep it
unspecified...
[see
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/security-services/200809/msg00063.htm
l
and
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/security-services/200810/msg00001.html
]
bc: tend to agree with you that we should leave this unspec'd
sc: not that concerned about it, the w3c folk think it shd remain
unspec'd, we
need to remember to profile this down in any future spec that touches on
this
hl: thought it was unambiguously defined by algorithm identifiers..
sc: no, this is cert encoding -- so they left it as-is because there are
other
cert encodings folks might want to use, but aren't in practice, but....
bc: ok, so this remains open for further discussion...
ts: so we'll leave this open for further comment
> > 2.3 Cross-Enterprise Security and Privacy Authorization (XSPA) Profile of
> > SAML for Healthcare
> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/security-services/200809/msg00062.html
bc: scott supplied longish comments, but no followups as yet
ds: got great comments from scott, detailed ones, don't want to change
draft
just yet, want to left folks think about making it a CD and then rolling in
the comments
fyi, actually parts of this profile were demonstrated in London last week
under the covers in XACML context. have folks digested it enough to make
it a
CD at this point.
bc: think we probably want to roll changes and such into it before going
to CD
sc: agree, going to CD then gets more formal
ds: ok, that makes sense to me, will take an AI to incorp scotts
comments, put
it back on list and get more comments.
> > 2.4 SAML V2.0 Holder-of-Key Web Browser SSO Profile
bc: NateK not here today, so this is a reminder for folks to review, any
further comments?
[none]
> > 2.5 SAML V2.0 Information Card Token Profile
bc: john bradley (jb)? comments on this item?
jb: IMI TC <http://oasis-open.org/committees/imi/> had its firstmeeting in
London, discussed samlv2 infocard token profile..
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/29019/draft-sstc-saml2-infoca
rd-02.pdf
..decided it would be in scope for TC were there demand, so IMI will
work with
SSTC, will take it if it wants to be contribed to IMI tc, init profile from
microsoft has only SAML 1.1 personal card, there are no managed cards at
moment, (folks scratch head), so there may be desire for a samlv1.1 managed
card profile. so the IMI TC is up and going now, so we can figure out
how we
want to move that work forward
Hal Lockhart (hl): personally would like to see that profile go forward
in the
IMI TC
jb: will have to work with jamie on how to do that..
hl: is simple, authors just submit it to the other TC, and if they have any
issues with that, then it gets more complex -- as long as TC/ipr
processes are
followed and work is in scope than can proceed -- ie sub to other TC is
act of
individual
sc: don't care real stongly which tc takes up the doc
jb: sentiment was that there ought to be a samlv2 token profile, just a
matter
of figuring out who/how it will get done
bc: so just need some offline conv btwn you scott on how to contrib spec
draft?
jb: yep
> > 2.6 SAML V2.0 Metadata Interoperability Profile
sc: reviewed most of responses, will edit & republish
> > 2.7 Level of Assurance Authentication Context Profiles for SAML 2.0
bc: this intersects with work of Giles from a few meetings ago
Eric Tiffany (et): 3 things: first, there's the LOA profile doc still out
there, not much change needs to be done to it to move it forward, 2nd
thing is
Giles doc, that's much different approach, haven't gotten disc w/Giles
as yet
wrt a simpler approach, [then there's an enigma document at ITU ?], 3d
then I
need to make some changes to a doc, just sent it to the list, going to be
offline for two weeks, hopefully there'll be productive comments on it
while
I'm away
Paul Madsen (pm): i could take over in interim
et: sure, should be voted on in some fashion by TC, then sent to NIST eg
by TC
chairs, then some folks might want to jump on coattails,
hipsi/NZ/Denmark etc
-- there may need to be a bit of corralling folks to keep them in loop
pm: ok i can contact you offline on that.
> > 3. Discussion Threads
> >
> > 3.1 SAML Cook Book
> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/security-services/200809/msg00057.html
pm: started to collect content on saml.xml.org wiki, pulled info from tech
overview; collecting config data would be a good thing; SC thot that
putting
that sort of stuff upon wiki might be problematic
bc: do you mean prop prod config info? or metadata?
pm: eg how do you config prod X to work with prod Y; some of this info is
collected by liberty in conformance program, supplied by vendors, might
not be
useful
George Fletcher (gf): well, we could just link to such info; or keep it
generic and add best practices
pm: see that as distinct from the two classes already have there; does saml
best practices exist somewhere?
sc: got electrodes handy to hook up to everyones brains?
my concerns are answered in the thread...
if you want to outline what you want to provide material for, we
(shibb/opensaml) could flesh that out and maintain our stuff ourselves,
e.g.
template outlining topics, we've written some howtos, we haven't had
time to
brainstorm others we might want to write, but you could stim ideas...
pm: interested in your howtos, just need a link from folks who want to
provide
theirs...
> > 3.2 OAuth as a potential HTTP server-to-server binding for SAML
> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/security-services/200809/msg00056.html
bc: lengthy msg w/ no followup
gf: i sent msg, but took silence as no interest
sc: am interested, but only in last week have had time to look at it; will
post questions on list; one of concerns is that it isn't clear that
oauth spec
can make things separable...
gf: key that looking at it, is svr-to-svr msgs that aren't ident-bound, eg
manageId calls, in oauth spec just signing that with consumers secret and
spec'g consumerid....
sc: not sure comfortable spec'g a binding to oauth spec
gf: this two-legged flow is intended to be supported in a v2 spec
sc: it isn't easy to normatively ref into the spec the way spec is written;
its not that i'm thinking it can't be done
jb: eran is about to release a bunch of changes to that spec if we can get
that comment to him maybe he can incorp it
gf: what would make it easier
sc; if the conveyance stuff is sep from message construct....
jh: agree, not clean to build other specs "on top of" oauth
gf: ok, will convey back to oauth folks eg eran
rlbob: there will be bof on oauth at ietf, sep'g convey from msg const
will be
a topic
jh: you'll convey back on the public oauth list, yes?
gf: yes, and you guys can followup if i mess up
> > 4. Other business
jh: have saml logo, done pro-bono by graphic artist, will post to
saml.xml.org
wiki and announce to list
> > 5. Action Items (Report created 06 October 2008 02:57pm EDT)
> >
> > #0341: Draft text for SSTC submission to NIST
> > Owner: Eric Tiffany
> > Status: Open
> > Assigned: 2008-08-26
> > Due: 2008-10-07
bc: everyone read and resp to his latest msg
> > #0333: Publish a new revision of Profile for Use of DisplayName in OASIS
> > template
> > Owner: Sampo Kellomki
> > Status: Open
> > Assigned: 2008-05-19
> > Due: --
open (sampo not here)
> > #0332: Revise Query Extension for SAML AuthnReq
> > Owner: Sampo Kellomki
> > Status: Open
> > Assigned: 2008-05-19
> > Due: ---
open (sampo not here)
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