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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] stakeholders summary


Point well taken.� My initial question was aimed at identifying the minimum set (but no fewer) to cover the RA scope.

Ken

On Aug 24, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Francis McCabe wrote:

I think we have to beware the "everything is a service" trap.

When I talked about service hosts I meant the entity responsible for ensuring that a service is made available, which can be different to the entity responsible for the service itself. The service host may be invisible to a service consumer, but is still a stakeholder in the service.

Similarly, a service that offers mediation may well be a service. However, it has a stake in a different service: the ones that it is capable of mediating.

Frank

On Aug 24, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Ken Laskey wrote:

Frank,

Your additions could be characterized as infrastructure.� Is this in scope for the RA?

Besides that mediation and discovery will be accessed as services.� Other than noting some services can be considered vital infrastructure, aren't they just services?� Does the provider or consumer of discovery really differ from the provider or consumer of weather?

Ken

On Aug 24, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Francis McCabe wrote:

+1
And good for Reston!

I think that the judge had it wrong. Even if the trees had no legal standing, people do. And the loss of trees can result in a loss to people in the neighborhood. I suspect that that ruling would not survive an appeal.

BTW: I am not a lawyer, so the above is just an opinion...

I think that you need to expand the scope of stakeholders a little:

-- service hosts
-- service mediators (brokers, etc.)
-- service discovery agencies

Frank

On Aug 24, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Ken Laskey wrote:

From the ftf, we had
- direct participants
� -- providers
� -- consumers
- regulatory authorities
- non-participants (innocent bystanders/"victims")

My initial question to the list was whether the direct participants were *service* providers and *service* consumers or whether there were other providers (and by extension, other consumers and participants).

From the discussion so far, I would say the ftf list covers the territory and the direct participants are indeed always dealing with services.� However, the non-participants can include anyone (and possibly anything) else, and their identification is context dependent.

An anecdote that has some relevance:
Last week a judge ruled against a neighborhood group who was trying to block construction of the new Yankee Stadium.� The neighborhood group said the loss of the nearby park and trees would have a devastating effects on the community.� The judge ruled that the trees had no legal standing.� My daughter's immediate response was, "They do in Reston!"� Now I live in Reston, one of the original planned communities, and here you have to make sure your basketball backboards are the right color.� Notwithstanding those philosophical battles, one of the differences in development in Reston is they generally try to save the existing trees rather than clear cutting and just plowing everything under.� The result is actually quite nice.� In any case, context will often define the most relevant (for modeling purposes) non-participatory stakeholders.

Ken

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Ken Laskey
MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 � � phone:� 703-983-7934
7515 Colshire Drive� � � � � � � � � � � � fax:� � � � 703-983-1379
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Ken Laskey
MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 � � phone:� 703-983-7934
7515 Colshire Drive� � � � � � � � � � � � fax:� � � � 703-983-1379
McLean VA 22102-7508




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Ken Laskey

MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 � � phone:� 703-983-7934

7515 Colshire Drive� � � � � � � � � � � � fax:� � � � 703-983-1379

McLean VA 22102-7508


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