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Minutes NDRSC 8 October 2003

From: Lisa Seaburg
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:33:00 -0000

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Subject: Minutes NDRSC 8 October 2003

From: "Lisa-Aeon" <[email protected]>
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:27:55 -0500

I have included the LCSC on this email because, as we come down to the wire,
may of the issues we discussed today impact the LCSC.  Please read through
the minutes, and the attached AnalysisDraft8.xls.  The Anslysis document is
probably the most important thing for the two groups to work through and
agree upon.  The problems found, the issues mentioned, and the fixes, bring
the two groups into better alignment.

We all agree that we can not release without this alignment, so please read
up.  Comments are welcome and wanted.  Reply to your own list (or both if
you can) with your comments, I will try to monitor both lists  and cross
post them for both groups to see.  Thank you everyone for the hard work you
are all putting in.    We are getting closer!

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Minutes for the NDRSC ConCall 8 October 2003

Attended:  Lisa Seaburg (Chair), Mavis Cournane, Arofan Gregory, Jon Bosak,
Paul Thorpe, Tony Coates, Stephen Green, Gunther Stuhec, Mark Crawford, Sue
Probert, Eduardo Gutentag, Garrett Minakawa, Mike Grimley, Jim Wilson,

B. Schedule Review:

We are in week 3, this may be pushed back a week, by changes in LCSC.

 Week 3 (10/8)
    1.  NDR Doc partial review by SC,
    2.  Lisa doing Schema QA, halfway done.
    3.  Rule changes to be reviewed and discussed.
    4.  Mark says he will try to have another section to us by end of week,
latest Tuesday.
 Week 2 (10/15) (Mavis to Chair) NDR Doc review by SC
    1.  Finish the Schema QA, get issues and comments to the LCSC.  This
discussion has to happen ASAP.
    2.  Review NDR document installment from Mark
 Week 1 (10/22) (Mark to Chair) NDR Doc review by SC
 Week 0 (10/29) (Lisa to Chair) Release on Friday

We have a lot of issues to discuss that could impact the schedule above, we
will revisit schedule once decisions are made.

C.  Schema QA and analysis:  LISA'S REPORT BELOW

LS: I read through the rules and the  schema side by side doing a
comparison.  Read the rule, then went to the schema to see how it was
implemented.  These are my findings.

See the Spreadsheet named:  AnalysisDraft8.xls which is attached to this
email.

Discussion Points on each Issue/Comment:

1.  LS: I talked to Garret and Gunther and these are being worked on as we
speak. We gave LCSC push back on this so now it should be under control.

Also where is the "cat" CommonAggregateTypes schema module?
LS: What is the CAT namespace?
GS: WE have not decided any rules for this.
MC: Where is the rule for that.
GS: WE decided this verbally in Montreal.
LS: It is already in the schema
MC: What is it?
GS: The reusable types are in this namespace.
This comes from the library group.
MC: What do I write in the Design Document. Are we creating a CAT module
that contains all reusable aggregates.
LS: Do we need a rule?
AG: This came out of NDR in MASS.
LS: Connect this  to rule SSM 5
MC: There is supposed to be a namespace for each schema. But the modules all
go in to a single namespace. These
rules are pre--Montreal.
I take that back. All schema modules must have its own namespace (NMS9) This
is non-conformance on the part of library.
LS: How will that effect Chee Kai's work?
It will change all of the XPATH work etc?
GS: I cannot speak for Chee Kai but it does not cause me any major problems.
It won't change XPATH and forms. It depends
on the namespace prefixes.
EG: Why?
GS: If you are using a different ns prefix for each document, and you use
this document in another schema it can cause you
problems. I can't tell about XSL forms.
MC: I think we need a couple of more rules. It sounds like SSM5 needs to
have MUST.
We need a rule that says that a schema module defining all common leaf types
must be created, a schema module defining
all common aggregate types must be created, the common leaf types schema
module must be named common leaf types schema module and
ditto for common aggregate types.

Things we need to vote on
ISSUE 1. Motion We agree on the principle and leave it to Mark to do the
wordsmithing.

Principles:

A schema module defining all common basic types must be created, it must be
named common basic types schema module, the namespace will be "cbt".

A schema module defining all common aggregate types must be created, it must
be called  common aggregate types schema module, the namespace will be
"cat".

We will say that common is for type definitions that are reused across
multiple schemas.

The structure of our schemas are:

All schema modules import the rt (rt imports the cct), dt, cbt, cat modules.

GS: It is not necessary to import core component types. You are only
importing the RTs. We decided that data types are not necessary for the
first version of the library. We are only importing RT, CAB and ATs.

To handle the implementation and fixing of the NDR rules:
We maintain a log of known issues, the beta does not conform to these rules,
the final release will fix this.

MC: SSM3, is it technically incorrect.
AG: Yes it is. It has to have exceptions for the CAT and common leaf types.
EG: All we are saying is that modules have to be in the same ns as the
schema itself.
AG: The question is what is in that document.
EG: You are importing them. You have a schema made up of 4-5 different
modules, it belongs to that namespace.
Apart from that you are importing other UBL constructs.
MC: I guess the real issue is how we define "internal" in SSM3.
AG: The idea is that common stuff is in its own ns
We are allowing the possibility for a schema to break things in to other
modules. We are just allowing for it but not doing it ourselves.,


ISSUE 4.

Every one of them with the exception of Dictionary Entry name does not apply
to Element Decl. We should modify the rule to just have Type Definition.
Should we create a new rule every element Decl must contain the annotation
for its dictionary entry name.

ISSUE 7.

LS: My email "Missing Pieces". Gunther and I realized there was a rule 29a-i
that was written and on Sept 10 in our Minutes  we had voted to accept with
quorum and they were left off our list. It impacts the work LCSC is doing.
It impacts the namespaces of the current code lists.

GS: I suggest the LCSC have to change this to reflect our decisions. These
namespaces should be defined using the information in the supplementary
components.
MC: With quorum we voted on these rules.
SG: They were not in the checklist that went to LC.
GS: I don't think it is so much work to implement this but I can't talk for
Chee Kai.  IF we do not do this as we stated using the supplementary
components, we are not in alignment with the CCTS TEch Spec.
SP: We need to determine what has been implemented
SG: I am not sure, perhaps they are carrying the supplementary component as
an annotation.
MC: IF that is the case then it is broken.
Ls: Let's put this on hold and I will work this a bit with Gunther. Somebody
needs to speak to Chee Kai.
SG: He may have put it in the tool without putting it in the schema.
LS: I will take an action to progress this with Gunther and liaise with Chee
Kai if indeed Gunther determines that this is not CCTS compliant.


ISSUE 5.  See spreadsheet.


ISSUE 6.  See Spreadsheet.

ISSUE 7.  Gunther has created files, they are sent to both groups, this has
been discussed both at the LCSC teleconference this week and the NDRSC
concall.


ISSUE 8.  As a group we decided to use the sequence that LCSC has already
implemented, so this needs to be changed in the NDR documentation.


ISSUE 13.  Lisa discussed this with Gunther and Garrett, we vote to go ahead
and change wording.  Mark to make change in NDR rules.


D.  AOB
Next Teleconference call is 15 October, 2003, Mavis Cournane to Chair.

E.  Adjoun


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