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Subject: Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 23 November 2005
MINUTES OF ATLANTIC UBL TC MEETING
16H00 - 18H00 UTC WEDNESDAY 23 NOVEMBER 2005
ATTENDANCE
Peter Borresen
Jon Bosak (chair)
Marty Burns
Mavis Cournane
Stephen Green
Mike Grimley
Betty Harvey
Andy Schoka
Paul Thorpe
Sylvia Webb
STANDING ITEMS
Additions to the calendar:
http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm
None.
Subcommittee and team updates to Pacific call status reports
None.
Review of Pacific and Europe/Asia calls
No comments.
Schedule review
JB: It's still possible that we can start the initial review
before Xmas, but it's going to be tight.
CODE LISTS
JB: For future reference, the decisions we made in Ottawa can
be found at
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200508/msg00042.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200508/msg00060.html
This is still the plan of record.
SW: MB appears to be proposing that we replace the UBL 1.0
format for enumerated code lists with a different one.
JB: What's the difference?
MB: The 1.0 CL format was not extensible using substitution
groups or redefines. The proposed format does not require
substitution groups, but it does allow their use while still
providing all of the features desired by the TC.
JB: We've decided that we're not going to use substitution
groups for code lists and minor versioning, but I don't think
we decided that we weren't going to let anyone else use them.
MB: The basic principle is this: substitution groups and
redefines must derive from a common base type. UBL 1.0 had no
identifier at all and had content types with actual
enumerations. The proposal is to make the basic simple type a
union of normalized string and enumeration. OAGIS 9 uses the
same approach.
JB: Any structural problem with this approach?
MG: We have a rule against using union; that would have to
change.
ACTION: NDR editors to investigate the implications of MB's
proposal and report back to the TC next week with a summary of
the arguments pro and con and (we hope) a recommendation.
JB: Note that we will have to decide as a matter of policy
whether we want to allow the application of substitution groups
by users.
SW: The evaluation of MB's proposal will have to include a look
and how adoption will impact our decision to adopt ATG schemas
and answer the question of how we create the QDT using the
genericode approach.
SMALL BUSINESS SUBSET
JB: We are in receipt of the revised UBL 1.0 Small Business Subset:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200511/msg00082.html
ACTION: TC to review the proposed SBS and be ready to start
balloting next week.
ACTION ITEM REVIEW
ACTION: MB to talk to PB and see if Denmark can help out with
business process for input to ebBP.
From last minutes:
AS: CEFACT has developed business process specs that can be
found on the UNECE site under UN/CEFACT: "business
requirement specification"... cross-industry invoice.
ACTION: SW to upload the UNECE business requirement
specifications (BRSs) and notify the list.
ACTION: AS to look at the UNECE cross-industry invoice
document to see whether there are points that might be
relevant to SG's work with the ebBP TC.
ACTION: TC members visiting NYC in October or November to check
out the Sun facilities and see whether they are suitable for a
UBL TC meeting. JB will be coming through in mid-November and
will also check then.
JB: The rooms look good (much better than Menlo Park), so
we're "go" for the meeting in Manhattan the week of 23
January.
ACTION: JB to check with ubl-dev to see whether there is any
interest in holding a UBL UG meeting that Friday (27
January).
MG: Will be staying at the Courtyard by Marriott near Times
Square; will forward to the list.
ACTION: MB to check with PB regarding time estimates for the
business process scenarios.
PB: First of February. The first two packages are finished,
but will wait for 2.0 schemas.
NDR WORK SESSION
SW has submitted several questions needing resolution this week:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200511/msg00121.html
Issue 1. The problem is that we need Definition to be optional
to avoid the error noted by Altova, but our NDRs, the ATG2
NDRs, and CCTS all require it to be mandatory.
AGREED that we should be CCTS compliant, so Definitions
should stay mandatory as currently stated in the NDRs.
We're going to review the Definitions in the spreadsheets to
make sure that one Definition exists for each code list and
that it's appropriate to include it in the schemas. If this
turns out to be impossible, we will include an empty
Definition rather than be CCTS noncompliant.
ACTION: SG to check to see where the problem Definitions are
and see whether the Definitions can be put in the schemas.
SW: There is another CCTS compliance issue: UID.
ACTION: NDR editors to review the issue of UIDs and CCTS
compliance.
Issue 2. AGREED that the correct namespace version should be 2,
not 2.0 (per the decision of 9 November).
Issue 3. MG: No change to the rule, just to the wording.
ACTION: NDR editors to edit the NDR document and modify the
text as suggested in email of 7 November.
Issue 4. SW: We need to know how the genericode approach is
going to impact uDT and qDT... What rules need to be changed
wrt ATG2 schema modules? If MB's proposal [see above] is
adopted, we can't use ATG code list schemas or CCTS schemas.
SG: Or ATG2 would need to adopt the same approach.
JB: But the ATG2 position appears to be in flux.
ACTION: JB to forward the ATG2 minutes of 14 November and
the updated code list schemas of 16 November for use in
trying to coordinate with ATG2 on these questions.
Jon Bosak
Chair, OASIS UBL TC
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