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[Jon Bosak]

MINUTES OF ATLANTIC UBL TC MEETING 15:00 - 17:00 UTC WEDNESDAY 2 AUGUST 2006 ATTENDANCE Jon Bosak (chair) Mavis Cournane Betty Harvey G. Ken Holman Andy Schoka Paul Thorpe STANDING ITEMS Additions to the calendar: http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm MC: Add ATG2 meeting. Tri-XML (GKH) GKH: Keynote was well received. Got an interesting question about separate delivery addresses per line item. Review of Pacific call No comments. MONTREAL AGENDA PT: Add me to the participant list. MC: UN/CEFACT item should be scheduled at a time when TM can participate. ACTION: JB to contact TM and find a time for the UN/CEFACT report earlier in the week. JB: Which was that latest version of GKH's paper on customization methodology? GKH: 0.4 was the last: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=18849 Note that this is the cleanest way to reference any document, because it shows all the revisions: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=NNNNN We should start using the revision feature and cite all of our documents this way. NDR The document itself JB: Had terrible time separating the checklist from the rest of the document. MC: Yes, there are horrible [mechanical] problems with the document. JB: SW has suggested that this is due to change-related cruft maintained in the MSWord format. OK to get rid of past changes? MC: Would be happy with that. JB: Is the checklist generated? MC: No, just copy and paste. No need to maintain changes; we do a separate change log. GKH: Have posted a docbook model and stylesheets: Weds 12 july "Docbook-based OASIS template...": http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200607/msg00054.html BH: Could convert the doc to docbook; that would allow generation of the checklist. Have a script that could be adapted to this. ACTION: MC to send the latest version of the NDR doc to BH; BH to consider changes to her script that would take Word to docbook and try for something to use by the meeting in Montr�al. MC: Have done a lot of editing over the last few weeks but have received no feedback. IND7 (UBLVersionID) GKH: Never realized till the 19th that we had instance rules in NDRs. Feel that there is no role for instance rules in NDRs; these are rules for transforming the abstract model into schema; business rules for instances are more than just NDRs. JB: What are the rules for instances in the NDRs? AS: IND1-IND7. GKH: You cannot implement using schema the requirement that the version of the schema must be found as an element in the instance. JB: That is, you can require the element, but you can't verify its content. So in IND7, it's the last sentence that GKH is objecting to. MC: SW requested this. GKH: Presumably because FX supports instances. AGREED that the last sentence of IND7 should be moved into the text as an expectation rather than a requirement. AGREED that we should put the question of instance rules in the NDRs on the agenda for Montr�al and consider putting all the instance rules into a separate document covering best practices. JB: Now regarding the IND7 issue per se (minoccurs=0 rather than minoccurs=1 as intended)... GKH: It should remain minoccurs=0 because it's not possible to enforce; you could just leave the element empty. I thought this should be optional anyway because it can't be validated. MC: It should be 1. AGREED that holding to minoccurs=1 per the current language in the NDRs would be a substantive change to the schemas. GKH: Making it optional goes with the original motivation for having the version element. E.g., the NES could choose to make it mandatory in their subset. JB/MC: Our feeling depends on whether this is the one issue that would force another public review. AGREED to resolve this in Montr�al. ACTION ITEM REVIEW None pending. OTHER BUSINESS JB: Note that this will be the last Atlantic TC call till 30 August. MC: Is the Singapore meeting date definite? JB: Yes. ACTION: JB to obtain a copy of the latest NDRs from ATG. Jon Bosak Chair, OASIS UBL TC