Re: [dita-fa-edboard] New wiki page: 12013 design

[Michael Priestley <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>]

I don't think there's a conflict with
OASIS policy here, although Carol can clarify. The DITA-OT design is not
the DITA specification. 

That said, I agree there's a conflict
between our community goals and OASIS policies, but we've discussed that
before :-) I just don't think this is an example of it.

Michael Priestley
Lead IBM DITA Architect 
mpriestl@ca.ibm.com
http://dita.xml.org/blog/25

"Bruce Esrig" <esrig@alumni.princeton.edu>
Sent by: bruce.esrig@gmail.com

06/17/2008 08:18 AM

To	Michael Priestley/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
cc	"Kristen James Eberlein" <keberlein@pobox.com>, "Carol Geyer" <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, "DITA Editorial Board" <dita-fa-edboard@lists.xml.org>
Subject	Re: [dita-fa-edboard] New wiki page: 12013 design

On a more positive note, if it is permitted, another way
to tie together the open toolkit pages would be with the tagging mechanism.

If this will be a series of pages, then each page could carry a squib from
the series introduction

Best wishes,

Bruce

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Bruce Esrig <esrig@alumni.princeton.edu>
wrote:
The OASIS policy on design has consistently conflicted
with our open-sourcing impulses.

The DITA community came to OASIS to develop open standards. The OASIS survival
strategy seems to be to privilege contributors by keeping designs under
wraps until they are ready for release.

These two perspectives on the paradigm within which value is delivered
lead to different policies for dita.xml.org.
The policy that is enforced is that design discussions have to happen in
the wiki for the technical committee.

As far as I can tell, the most likely (non-adversarial) way to get an exception
or change to the OASIS policy would be to put together a business proposal
showing that DITA would have sponsors contributing a safely net positive
return to OASIS even if the design work crosses the proprietary-public
boundary.

Right now, the OASIS model does comparatively little co-marketing for the
sponsors (primarily the logos on the home page). Perhaps with some other
privileges, it could be demonstrated that the sponsors would stay involved
because they are interested in being represented as part of the community,
not just in order to get access to the discussions as the standard develops.

Best wishes,

Bruce


On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Michael Priestley <mpriestl@ca.ibm.com>
wrote:

I think the content should be clearer as to its purpose/location (right
now no navigational context to show where it's coming from). But is there
a problem with hosting toolkit design discussions at dita.xml.org?
I know the toolkit team made the move explicitly to make the design discussion
more open to community participation, and I think their motives are good.
And they're building it in the right part of the wiki, ie in the section
devoted to the DITA Open Toolkit. 

I'd suggest something like "DITA Open Toolkit Design: Feature xxxx"
- plus add a link to the parent topic at the bottom of the page.

Michael Priestley
Lead IBM DITA Architect 
mpriestl@ca.ibm.com
http://dita.xml.org/blog/25

Kristen James Eberlein <keberlein@pobox.com>

06/16/2008 07:51 PM

To	Carol Geyer <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>
cc	"'DITA Editorial Board'" <dita-fa-edboard@lists.xml.org>
Subject	Re: [dita-fa-edboard] New wiki page: 12013 design

Hi, Carol.

I think this page -- and a similar one for 12017 -- will confuse many 
readers. Both refer to specific features that will be part of DITA 1.2.

My guess is that the content of http://dita.xml.org/wiki/12013-design
is about how the Open Toolkit will need to be modified to support these
new features; is there perhaps another more appropriate location for this
sort of content than the Wiki pages for dita.xml.org?

Kris



Carol Geyer wrote:
> See http://dita.xml.org/wiki/12013-design
>
> I find this new page confusing, but maybe that's a sign of my own
ignorance. Can anyone on the EdBoard suggest adding some kind of context
that would make the page more useful or is it self-explanatory to our readers?
>
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