xml-dev - RE: Alternatives to the W3C

["Steven Livingstone, ITS, SENM" <steven.livingstone@scotent.co.uk>]

	Stephen said:
	And the couple of hundred million Linux users who are going to be
coming
	online in places like China and India over the next few years aren't
going
	to be using Microsoft products, either.

	Didier replies:
	This is an interesting remark. In fact, the countries that you
mention are
	practicing software copy on a real industrial scale. Now that free
software
	is available, they get, it, study it, use it and will probably, in
the 21
	century, become strong silicon valley competitors. So, you are right
that
	Linux will probably find its biggest market there, not Microsoft,
Microsoft
software anyway just got copied there, not sold.

     Steven II says :
     One off-shoot of this thread is that more applications are going to
come online and you will be able to access Office type applications, account
packages etc.. all on the web, so the need for any particular client OS will
become less important (for most users). All you will need is Netsacpe or IE
on the client and you will be able to do pretty much everything most users
want. For MS, servers are their future - most people just won't need the
full power of any OS (like my mum who still uses only Word and Excel after 5
years...).

cheers
steven

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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Didier PH Martin [SMTP:martind@netfolder.com]
> Sent:	20 January 2000 08:52
> To:	Stephen R. Savitzky
> Cc:	Tim Bray; Don Park; 'XML Dev'
> Subject:	RE: Alternatives to the W3C
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> Stephen said:
> I prefer to say -- Netscape is reasonably stable, and IE is a moving
> target.
> 
> In any case, Netscape + IE + Opera now make up a sizeable but rapidly-
> decreasing fraction of the browser market -- or haven't you noticed the
> number of connected WebTV's, Palm Pilots, cell phones, and recently
> kitchen
> appliances?
> 
> Didier replies:
> Its a very valid point of view. As we all know the reality can be
> perceived
> in different ways. For some, if there is no new updates or innovations
> then
> it is stagnant, for others it is stable. The funny thing is that both
> perceptions are right :-)
> 
> About WebTv, yes I saw that the number is very very slowly increasing,
> palm
> pilots and cell phone barely noticeable on the radar. However, for cell
> phones, the numbers may be different in Europe. I am still digging to get
> the numbers for Europe. And about kitchen appliances I just noticed that
> my
> refrigerator sent me an ICQ message saying that it is empty and that I
> should go do some shopping tonight :-)))).
> 
> Stephen said:
> And the couple of hundred million Linux users who are going to be coming
> online in places like China and India over the next few years aren't going
> to be using Microsoft products, either.
> 
> Didier replies:
> This is an interesting remark. In fact, the countries that you mention are
> practicing software copy on a real industrial scale. Now that free
> software
> is available, they get, it, study it, use it and will probably, in the 21
> century, become strong silicon valley competitors. So, you are right that
> Linux will probably find its biggest market there, not Microsoft,
> Microsoft
> software anyway just got copied there, not sold.
> 
> Stephen said:
> The mapping from XML to HTML (using XSLT and so on) is properly applied on
> the server.
> 
> Didier replies:
> Yes but the real advantage of XML+XSLT is that the transformation can
> occurs
> on the client. As long as there is a lot of HTML client out there, people
> will still use stuff like ASP, JSP, Cold fusion etc.. to produce HTML form
> data bases content, or simply dump to the browser the HTML file stored on
> the server. The real incentive to use XML is if
> a) most actual servers like the relational database, directory services or
> indexing servers send their data in an XML format.
> b) the rendition process is made at client site.
> 
> otherwise, we will still have the status quo. And off course that I know
> that XML can be transformed with XSLT on the server, My refrigerator does
> that before sending me messages on ICQ :-))) Seriously, when (a) and (b)
> conditions will be fulfilled, then XML market share will increase.
> 
> Cheers
> Didier PH Martin
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