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  • From: Andrew Layman <andrewl@microsoft.com>
  • To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
  • Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:56:27 -0700

To be even more emphatic:  SOAP is about wire protocol, not implementation.
A sender X should be able to send a message to receiver Y and it does not
matter whether receiver Y is implemented by a CGI script or an ASP script or
a COM object class or whatever.  The semantics are in the message.

Various toolkits (such as ROPE) provide programmatic interfaces that
simplify the construction of SOAP messages or processing of them on receipt.
But, these are convenience APIs, not part of the SOAP specification.  The
semantics of the message are unaffected by whether you use such a toolkit or

This is not about proprietary protocols that happen to be serialized in XML.
This is about an extensible protocol true to the spirit of XML.

-----Original Message-----
From: mark hu [mailto:mark@fintrack.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 1:09 PM
To: KenNorth; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re: SOAP serialization

Thanks for you arcticle ref, it's a good article, but the point is : ROPE is
only the actural word for NT (win2000) side, not for Unix side - we do not
have to use ROPE for anywhere besides MS Windows ( Surely MS SOAP Toolkit
and its gerenated Listener only can be configured and run under MS IIS
....), even in MSDN article -  Unix side had a Java based Web Service
Listener which getting SOAP messages ( in this MSDN sample; SOAP messages
were passed in through ROPE which is staying at Windows side ) and then
passed by a SOAP parser, then calling relative Objects ( in this case CORBA
....), so the whole picture only Web Services part incudes ROPE ( which is
really MS thing, designed fro VS 6.0 and coming VS 7.0 ), and this is based
on you put your web-services up and running under MS Windows, what if
somewhere that does not have MS IIS server and run NetScape or IBM, in this
case We DO NEED A TOOLKIT - CALLED "SUN SOAP Toolkit" or "IBM SOAP Toolkit"
which can generate the same results but based on CORBA and targetting OS
besides MS Windows, and I am using MS Toolkit right now - and the actual Web
Services Listener is done through ISAPI ( which bust up performence quite
bit ... ), I like this tool - since the SDLWizard Toolkit right now only
recognize COM OBJECT only, I do hope they can come out a new one which can
CORBA also, and I bet they will - again, ROPE is COM thing, not for JAVA -
oh, surely u can generate a Java wrapper class and make a Java container for
ROPE, so your Java people can use it very easily - but, this is not the
point here - basicly, MS SOAP Toolkit for now, is targetting VS 6.0 and
based on COM only ... sorry, man.

mark hu
646-872-7341 (cell phone)
"breath, open up eyes and think"

----- Original Message -----
From: KenNorth <KenNorth@email.msn.com>
To: <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: SOAP serialization

> > Maybe some of those, but my guess is probably not SOAP on a ROPE.
> MSDN has only a single article that mentions the Remote Object Proxy
> (ROPE):
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/xml/articles/hbinterop_core.asp


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