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RE: more grist
- From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <email@example.com>
- To: "Vegt, Jan" <Jan.Vegt@softwareag.com>, firstname.lastname@example.org
- Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:08:28 -0600
Steve had to go into these woods when there weren't
trails. That was true for a lot of the Hytimers.
Most people since have had the advantage of the
trail they hacked. But it was a trail ,not a highway, and a hard
one to hike. Remember, many many weren't
the highly trained CS grads that infest markup
today. They were lawyers, tech writers, musicians,
teachers, lieutenant commanders, and the occasional
really brilliant CS grad like Neill Kipp trying to
hold it together. Steve did an amazing job working
with Charles Goldfarb and Yuri Rubinsky trying to
keep this going in the very lean days when the
only thing SGML was taken seriously for was as input
to a typesetter. Ten years ago, hypertext was for
AI gurus and wackos and that perception was deliberately
used to keep other initiatives alive or in front.
The pain quotient was high but the goal was worth it.
Information free of the hardware, lasting, right,
reusable, available to anyone with a connection.
We are past all that now down to the CS issues
like data models. Some people are hitting the wall
they hit then dead on, that extensibility and interoperation
are two poles with an analogical gulf that is quite
wide. There is no free lunch. There are tools,
techniques, and clever hacks to pull all this together,
but at the end of the day, the web is a noisy
communication channel and to preserve freedom
of choice (the means to evolve), has to be that.
Chaos is the engine of evolution. What that
means is that this job is never done. It goes
through phases, it gets passed on to the new
guy like the Maytag repairman, but it is always
a job looking for skilled workers.
Steve was, is, and always will be a pioneer in our
field. He bought his own machete to carve the
trail. He took a lot of risks, paid high dues,
and is still out there hacking. He deserves our
respect. From what I know of him, the best way
to give him that is to pick up a tool and keep
the trail clear for those that follow.
Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti.
Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h
From: Vegt, Jan [mailto:Jan.Vegt@softwareag.com]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:31 AM
To: Bullard, Claude L (Len); email@example.com
Subject: RE: more grist
Good stuff. I admit I was never able follow
Steve Newcomb on HyTime. I just found Robin's
excellent compilation on "the power of groves"
Some interesting prior art here it seems ...
>So, well-formed anybody? InfoSets next? Sheesh.
>Groves and grove plans just like the HyTime guys
>said it would be. I don't think that avoidable
>unless someone wants to redo the base infoSet
>to accomodate a limited set of vocabularies,
>but I think the slope is becoming ice quickly.
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