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RE: participating communities (was XML Blueberry)

As long as we understand that, fine.  There is no difference except
that ISO works for governments and the W3C works for private companies.
Well, yes there are big differences but we don't have to hash those out here.
It's all been said before.
You understood DSSSL?  Wow.  That ten or 12 year cycle of
development must be worth the price.  SGML?
You worked for SoftQuad and didn't understand it?  That must have been
hard come salary review time.  As for Hytime, neither did I and it
wasn't for lack of trying.  What I did understand was elegant.  Now
groves, that became clearer but again, we'd have to back off the
W3C to use that.
Now, who owns the intellectual property of markup?  The commons?  The people
through their representatives own SGML.    Companies through their
representatives own XML.  That's what the constitution on this side of the border
says anyway and you have confirmed. 
Thanks.  Blueberry is a business decision for the W3C.  Case closed.

Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti.
Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Richards [mailto:frichards@softquad.com]

And SGML is a proprietary product. For Jane Developer at Mom's Code (or Keene NH City hall if you want the government sector), The effective difference between the ISO and the W3C is that ISO docs have to be ordered at great expense and those from the w3c can be downloaded for free. Secondarily, w3c specs are comprehensible to any skilled developer. SGML, HyTime and Arch Forms are all incomprehensible word clouds. (Someody goofed on DSSSL, I understood that one)
But day to day there's no effective difference. The orgs it matters to are the global 2000 businesses, and sovereign governments. W3C answers to the first, ISO to the second.
Yeah there's plenty wrong with business, but  I totally fail to comprehend how any survivor of the 20th century can think governments are better.
I don't have an answer to the Blueberry problem, but I won't buy canonizing the ISO.