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   RE: SV: [xml-dev] Tim Bray on "Which Technologies Matter?"

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1.  XML is not pure hype.  There are no pure plays. 
XML has been overhyped and part of that was at the 
expense of SGML.  That was distasteful and said a 
lot about character.

2.  XML 1.0 is less sophisticated.  XML plus all of the 
application language infrstructure built around it (eg, 
XSLT) is much like SGML+OmniMark.  Still not quite as 
powerful but cheaper.

3.  SGML had a few free apps and more were coming, but 
time and the HTML juggernaut sidelined most of them. 
(Not all:  I just attended and IADS meeting.  The bloody 
thing lives.) That's ok because XML has A LOT more freeware 
tools and more importantly, support built directly 
into operating system frameworks, server frameworks, 
and so on.  Quite a victory.

4.  XML has some conceptual improvements.  The adoption 
of a proven practice, well-formedness, is a big improvement. 
Use of instance syntax for production declarations is a 
big improvement.  Namespaces are a minimal victory but 
a necessary one (there must be a way to build a true 
aggregate or we have to use SUBDOC:  it may be the 
case that being able to do both is useful).

5.  A big victory:  we have a honking large and 
shared system to develop and field to and a means to 
unify namespace scope where needed.

6.  The biggest victory:  we have a very talented 
and active community of developers, users and customers. 
No money; no thrills.   Thank HTML and the WWW for that 
one folks.

All good stuff.   All markup.  Markup matters.


-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Veillard [mailto:veillard@redhat.com]

I was arguing against  a statement that XML was 
pure hype and less sophisticated. It may be hype but there is more
implementations to choose from, it may be less sophisticated but in practice
things which were looking impossible with the previous toolchain becomes
possible like formatting on the fly upon user request. One could probably
had done that on SGML too, but not with free software apparently. The 
sophistication trade-off have a serious impact in that area.


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