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Not too quickly but in my own terms. We can't
simply shift away from Tim's factors and keep
the same thread, Uche. Ontological drift...
In one way, this is just for fun. If we apply
these tests of "what matters", we get some
odd and perhaps for some, uncomfortable results.
These days, when I see SQL, I usually also see
it wrapped in ASP with VB. That is a limited
view, no doubt, but SQL Server is gaining on
Oracle and VB is a nice language. So is FoxPro
but oh well.... But I think more people are
making money with VB than C "today". MS matters.
Otherwise, JP Barlow would sleep easier.
(Sad when a prophet becomes a pundit, ain't it?)
Ease of use, mastery and simplicity have been
presented on this and every web list I've ever
been on as "what makes the web work". I agree,
that is a limited notion of what matters. In
fact, that is part of the clarity one gets if
one does this long enough.
From: Uche Ogbuji [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> I didn't say it was best, just the most successful
> if we look at ubiquity, numbers of applications produced,
> ease of use, ease of mastery, simplicity and so on.
Ah, Len, but you responded too quickly. I didn't say "best" either. I too
was arguing that VB is nowhere near the most *successful* language. C and SQL
are is more Ubiquitous than VB. C, SQL and FORTRAN have produced far more
applications than has VB.
I don't see how ease of use, mastery and simplicity are ipso facto measures os
success, otherwise wouldn't logo be the most successful language in that
regard? Actually, in that case, adventure game interfaces would probably be
most successful ;-)
> All of these are perceptions but if we count money,
> a lot more people are making money programming with
> VB than C.
I *highly* doubt this. I think you're forgetting the huge embedded systems
market, which is dominated by C and close to 100% commercial (on the large
> If one doesn't use MS products, nevermind.
Irrelevant to the question.