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Not too quickly but in my own terms.  We can't 
simply shift away from Tim's factors and keep 
the same thread, Uche.  Ontological drift...

In one way, this is just for fun.  If we apply 
these tests of "what matters", we get some 
odd and perhaps for some, uncomfortable results. 
These days, when I see SQL, I usually also see 
it wrapped in ASP with VB.  That is a limited 
view, no doubt, but SQL Server is gaining on 
Oracle and VB is a nice language.  So is FoxPro 
but oh well....  But I think more people are 
making money with VB than C "today".  MS matters. 

Otherwise, JP Barlow would sleep easier.
(Sad when a prophet becomes a pundit, ain't it?)

Ease of use, mastery and simplicity have been 
presented on this and every web list I've ever 
been on as "what makes the web work".   I agree, 
that is a limited notion of what matters.  In 
fact, that is part of the clarity one gets if 
one does this long enough.


-----Original Message-----
From: Uche Ogbuji [mailto:uche.ogbuji@fourthought.com]

> I didn't say it was best, just the most successful 
> if we look at ubiquity, numbers of applications produced, 
> ease of use, ease of mastery, simplicity and so on.

Ah, Len, but you responded too quickly.  I didn't say "best" either.  I too 
was arguing that VB is nowhere near the most *successful* language.  C and SQL 
are is more Ubiquitous than VB.  C, SQL and FORTRAN have produced far more 
applications than has VB.

I don't see how ease of use, mastery and simplicity are ipso facto measures os 
success, otherwise wouldn't logo be the most successful language in that 
regard?  Actually, in that case, adventure game interfaces would probably be 
most successful  ;-)

> All of these are perceptions but if we count money, 
> a lot more people are making money programming with 
> VB than C.

I *highly* doubt this.  I think you're forgetting the huge embedded systems 
market, which is dominated by C and close to 100% commercial (on the large 

> If one doesn't use MS products, nevermind.  

Irrelevant to the question.


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