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On Thursday 12 September 2002 21:18, Tim Bray wrote:
> [Snell] If you have an XML-based infrastructure, then a device that can
> do XSLT-controlled XML to HTML transformations at network speed has a
> great deal of appeal to folks. Again, I don't think the XDR or ASN.1
> analogy holds, although there's probably a niche market that would like
> a network device that did BER to DER.
That looks more like a followup to me, but hey, I'm not fussy.
> [Winer] No Dave, our first product is real, does work, and is solving
> customer problems. You might want to take a look at the "customer
> successes" link on the same page that Tim posted. Oh heck, here's
> the link. It's worthwhile because it gives more concrete information
> about why someone would buy and how they would deploy it.
> http://www.datapower.com/products/customer_successes.html
> As for Intel and their XML Director, shortly after killing the product
> they spent $500M buy iPivot, which they just spun as Tarari. Perhaps
> they're just confused. :)
"Business Problem: Hemscott adopted XML to drive revenues as it enables the
financial services firm to supply more information to more clients worldwide
than is possible with proprietary technologies. But XML's nested structure
and verbosity introduced serious bottlenecks that rendered revenue-generating
applications useless. Large file transformations took as much as 20 seconds
to complete when using the open source Xalan processor on general purpose
hardware. As a zero-latency-enterprise, Hemscott found that it's performance
and scalability requirements soon outstripped the capabilities of any
software-based solution."
Now when I started moaning at people that XML was too verbose and slow to use
for data they all just said "Bah, processing power and bandwidth are cheap,
machines have more than enough CPU to cope, you're just like those guys who
opposed high level languages taking over from assembler"... now companies are
needing to shell out on specialist hardware to do things with XML? *rolls
eyes* :-)
Now, as I said, my NFS server at home is an ancient Sun IPX (1989 or so
vintage) that quite happily floods a 10Mbit interface with information it has
encoded in XDR on the fly (particularly if I run sprayd!) without needing an
'accelerator'...
So how about we stop trying to [ab]use XML for data and just bind an XSLT
engine to a nice XER (http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/xml/) codec, if you REALLY
want XSLT (which I don't having had far too much trouble getting it to do
what I want, but not everyone's trying to solve hard problems), hmm? :-)
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