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  • To: "Mike Champion" <mc@xegesis.org>,<xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
  • Subject: RE: [xml-dev] [Fwd: The problems with Xlink for integration langu ages]
  • From: "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@microsoft.com>
  • Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:06:09 -0700
  • Thread-index: AcJcatTzxSYGpd/vQcuZHkjrRRR5pgAARr3O
  • Thread-topic: [xml-dev] [Fwd: The problems with Xlink for integration langu ages]

I'm human. I work at a company that consists of disparate teams with different goals trying to forge ahead and I understand what its like to try to forge consistency in that sort of environment. This doesn't suddenly mean that Not Invented Here and Reinventing The Wheel should be encouraged to percolate across the entire web architecture because "humans aren't perfect". 
The main point of my post was not to assign blame but point out that there can be a lot more research by the W3C and communication amongst its working groups than exists today. 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Mike Champion [mailto:mc@xegesis.org] 
	Sent: Sat 9/14/2002 8:48 PM 
	To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org 
	Subject: Re: [xml-dev] [Fwd: The problems with Xlink for integration langu ages]

	9/14/2002 11:05:05 PM, Dare Obasanjo <kpako@yahoo.com> wrote:
	>Being able to selectively ignore the work of other W3C
	>working groups as well as other groups within the
	>computer industry when coming up with technologies
	>seems to be an unwritten requirement for W3C working
	>group membership.
	Uhh, there is only one written or unwritten requirement for W3C
	working group membership -- having a member organization appoint a
	representative.  It's all good fun to blame some cabal in
	Cambridge for the W3C's failings (or praise them for its
	successes) but at the end of the day it's the members who
	do the work and pay the bills.  And at the end of the year,
	if the members care enough to send qualified people to working
	groups with instructions to share the necessary knowledge and
	make the necessary compromises to build useful specs,
	the WG succeeds.
	>I mean, really who is supposed to use XLink now when
	>the very technology it was supposedly designed for has
	>dissed it in such a callous manner?
	I don't know.  All I know is that different groups of people
	addressed different problems at different times.  It would have
	been a freakin' miracle if they came up with consistent solutions
	without someone banging heads together.  And last I heard, when
	the W3C Director tries to bang heads together to get consistency,
	it's the biggest companies that scream the loudest.  (As well they
	should, IMHO ...)
	>Behavior like this does not inspire confidence in the
	>W3C's internal processes at all.
	I agree.  The W3C, and every other standards organization with
	which I'm familiar, is staffed by humans.  Humans are notorious
	for disagreeing, changing their minds, learning from the failures
	of themselves and others, bitching about orders from the Established
	Authorities, and generally muddling through as best
	they can.  Get the damned humans out of the loop, and things
	will be a lot more orderly and predictable. :-)
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