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   RE: [xml-dev] strange feeling

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Why do you want to escape?  I am proud of having an 
SGML background.  This has been a fun party for a long 
time with lots of nice and creative people.  Frack! 
Who could ask for more?

It isn't strange.  Pioneers in the markup field worked 
for some number of years to plan standards for hypermedia 
based on markup systems.   From the perspectives of their 
zeitgeist, they worked out solutions.   The web design, 
particularly the design of HTML and the web presentation 
browsing system, is a class of hypertext system.  The 
original Hytime work starts with a similar class of system. 
Think of it as the requirements for the specification of 
a system to be built.  As work progressed, they discovered 
by research into existing systems and building others, some 
common problems.  Again, from their own perspective, the 
created solutions.

It is a decade on into the development of web hypermedia 
systems, and for various reasons, markup is the central 
data model.   That one should be discovering similar 
requirements and that these should have similar solutions 
should not surprise anyone.   It is no different than 
exploring a country new to the explorer, but common to 
its natives.  After awhile, a merging of skills, names, 
techniques, etc. emerge in a common technical culture. 
That is why some refer to XML by "SGML as practiced". 

Too much is made of the accomplishments of XML and not 
enough of the community as a whole.  I believe 
that to be a personal thing for some.  In effect, as said 
often before, the same people are pursuing overlapping 
visions now just as the have for over three decades in 
some cases, and one in others.  But it's all markup, a 
data model technology.



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Champion [mailto:mc@xegesis.org]

And I'm not by any means suggesting that we admit the error of our ways and study the SGML Bible as the 
source of fundamental truth.  I'm just marvelling at how this damn thing is sortof a strange attractor 
that we keep circling around, but can't escape.  


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