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   Re: [xml-dev] SGML on the Web

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> Even beyond the Web I think far more people are familiar with documents
> whose presentation order is the same as their typing order.  HTML has
> it, but so does WYSIWYG, typewriters, etc.

Ah, but I've never hand written that much html, and never used a
WYSIWYG word processor or a typewriter:-) Such methods aways seemed
limiting that's why I've  used (La)TeX or SGML or XML for more or less
anything I've produced from papers to simple letters for the last 15
years or so.

> I'm afraid that I see people who genuinely need transformations for
> presentation and are willing to learn about transformation into order to
> create such presentation are in a distinct minority.  A very helpful
> minority, to be sure, useful in hard cases, but cert

Sure, it's a minority but I think that's the minority sgml-on-the-web
(as a document format as opposed to soap-ish data exchange) is aimed at.
I think that majority use is more than catered for by html-as-xml ie
xhtml or even just html-as-sgml (html4).

> > use [of docbook] by someone other than the author without using a transformation
> > language?

> Yes you can, depending on your needs.

If you say so I am sure you can, but I would guess you have to be fairly
constrained in your choice of docbook constructs and know at authoring
time that you planned to do this. I can't see how you could take
arbitrary docbook xml "off the street" and css-style it to produce an
aceptable final form document. Norm's XSLT and dsssl stylesheets move an
awful lot of information around, they are a long way from simply making
one pass over the tree styling things as they go. I still think that is
typical requirements for an xml document type, but I accept your
documents may be different.


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