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At 4:21 PM -0600 11/14/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
>From: Uche Ogbuji [mailto:uche.ogbuji@fourthought.com]
>>>  Nothing that I know of offhand.  Can it cope with inconsistencY
>>>  of assertions?
>>Can the Web cope with conflicting statements and differences in opinion
>>expressed in content?
>The Web is not a machine making judgements.
>>>  Can it actually work without an
>>>  "ontology authority" to maintain trust and consistency across domains?
>>Can the Web work without a linking authority to guarantee links, and to
>>establish trust of content?
>The web is not a machine attempting to make judgements based on untrustworthy

Asking such things of the web, as if the web had an authority 
structure that exists in any sense other than voluntary seems a bit 
Quixotic. Finding ways to get voluntary participation in structured 
environments, like authentication/authorization enhancements, post 
the coming security shakeout, CAN be made very attractive and will 
serve the purpose better because the enabling software will be 
profitable. And it will make for happier consumers/uers.

>  >> Will the spammers, pornographers, and assorted slimeballs co-opt it
>>>  for their purposes?
>>Can the Web survive the coopting of spammers, pornographers, and assorted
>>slimeballs?  How about specific Web facilities such as Google?
>Yes but the rate of dirt in the system is steadily climbing to the point
>that some people have to maintain special secret email accounts just to
>keep the spam and porn hawkers out and specialized ISPs that guarantee
>to eliminate the porn are adverstised on national TV.  If that is your
>measure of the success that RDF must match, your standards of measurement
>are flawed.  Maybe we should learn from history and not try to duplicate
>the "success" of the web.  One might consider that kind of marketing
>to be antipathetical to a semantic web.

Note: I had one of the worst problems with spam et al. and decided to 
start doing the voluntary unsubscribe from every one I could make 
myself bother with, every day. It was a pain but after a month and 
half, it appears to be working. I think sweepstakes are the most 
difficult to discourage, but eventually, even those are beginning to 
lose traction.

>  >> All that remains to be seen.
>>Ah, but will you admit it if/when you see it?  :-)
>I doubt that it will be seen.  It might be felt.  The problem
>is using machines for these tasks without some provisions to
>ensure that critical choices get human vetting.
Rex Brooks
Starbourne Communications Design
1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com


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