Re: [xml-dev] ConciseXML arguments

["Mike Plusch" <mplusch@clearmethods.com>]

XML does not have to be verbose in the future.

 

It _could_ be suitable for ALL applications.

 

It is desirable to have a common, standard syntax

that can be used for ALL purposes.

 

_Mike Plusch

 

 

How about changing the name to:

Conci-sex-ml.    :)

----- Original Message -----

From: Cavnar-Johnson, John

To: 'Mike Plusch' ; 'xml-dev'

Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:24 PM

Subject: RE: [xml-dev] ConciseXML arguments

Don't ignore the fact that people are telling you that it's not XML 1.0.
If you haven't figured it out yet, the fact that it's not XML 1.0 is a
huge problem for people on this list and, more generally, for developers
everywhere working with XML. Drop the X and move on.

XML is verbose.  XML is not suitable for many applications.  If it's not
suitable for your application, don't use it.  How hard is that to figure
out?  The verbosity of XML is a chief virtue and a chief vice of XML.
Technologies are like that sometimes.

People didn't invent XPATH, XQuery, string encodings, CSV data, etc. to
avoid the verbosity of XML.

Are you saying there is no way to represent key/value pairs in XML or
too many ways to represent key/value pairs in XML?  The first
alternative is false and I don't see the problem with the second.

To summarize, I'm not convinced that the two things you want to fix are
really broken.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Plusch [mailto:mplusch@clearmethods.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:52 AM
To: xml-dev
Subject: [xml-dev] ConciseXML arguments

Out of the 50 email messages about
ConciseXML, almost all of the comments
have been of the sort:
"but ConciseXML is not XML 1.0!".

Although this is a true statement,
how about any comments on the two
key problems that ConciseXML fixes that
are reoccuring issues across the industry.

1. XML 1.0 is verbose and is not suitable
for many applications that people would
like to use it for. People invent new
syntax all the time to avoid XML 1.0.
For example, XPATH, XQuery, string
encodings, CSV data, etc.

2. There is not a single way in XML 1.0 to
represent data fields that have a key and value
where the key can be any type and the value
can be any type.