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anyone working in modeling - which includes most programmers these days,
must understand more than high school maths.
</Quote>

Thinking back (less than 20 years ago), I believe I had the equivalent
of Calculus II in my senior year of high school. Why would a programmer
and/or modeler need to know anything beyond that (or even up to that),
if they were - say - a Java programmer working in an automotive domain?

Kind Regards,
Joe Chiusano
Booz | Allen | Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World

Rick Marshall wrote:
> 
> sorry, but i can't help myself here
> 
> On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 05:23, Bob Wyman wrote:
> > Michael Kay wrote:
> > > Actually, the hard part of programming is the logic,
> >       Precisely! I get real tired of people assuming that
> > programmers have to be mathematicians... It just isn't true.
> programmers don't have to be mathematicians, and in fact many areas of
> programming don't need mathematics.
> 
> but most programmers need more a passing knowledge of maths. anyone
> working in modeling - which includes most programmers these days, must
> understand more than high school maths.
> 
> anyone analysing financial results must know more than high school
> maths.
> 
> most of the papers referred to on this list use and require more than
> high school maths to understand.
> 
> what i might ask is the point of arguing about the significance of
> complexity if we don't have clear definitions of these things - and
> that's what mathematics gives us.
> 
> but it's also true that most people's idea of mathematics is not what a
> mathematician today would recognise (and i'm probably out of date as
> well).
> 
> >
> > > although mathematicians tend to regard themselves as
> > > the only people who understand logic, I have come across
> > > linguists and lawyers who understand it just as well or better.
> >       Actually, until recently logic was almost exclusively taught
> > and studied in philosophy departments and sometimes in law schools.
> > (although when I took "Legal Reasoning"
> 
> that would be an oxymoron ;)
> 
> > back in the early 70's it was
> > taught by the Philosophy Department.) It has only been in the last few
> > decades (since the introduction of computers) that logic has entered
> > into the curriculum of engineering schools and, I think, only since
> > the mid-1800's that it has been studied heavily by mathematicians.
> 
> that's not strictly true - the distinction between logic and mathematics
> has only been recognised - and then logic as one aspect of mathematics -
> since the 19th century - and that probably only applies to western
> cultures.
> 
> >
> >               bob wyman
> >
> 
> and could we really develop and use asn.1 without mathematics?
> 
> >
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