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   RE: [xml-dev] Competing Specifications - A Good or Bad Thing?

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Having composable namespaces does not ensure that the
implementations work.   On the other hand, as I read the
document Dare gave us to reference, it should be easy
to find out when they don't.    To the tool users, all of these
services should be drag and drop items.  The namespace
designers design according to the data being exchanged,
not the implementations.  The reason for some of the 
more complex WS specs is to provide assurances that 
this works blindly.   How does a developer screw that up?
I can't tell what goes on in the minds of developers doing
the implementing.  I guess if they detest each other as
much as some of the mail suggests, you might be right,
but if so, they need to be laid off if they implement with
those attitudes, and their work sent elsewhere.  I don't
mind if someone detests his web mate; I mind a great
deal if they don't do the job they are paid to do.
So, we are a pack of dogs?  Ok.  
But, that is why WS registrars will vette code in accordance
with compliance and conformance test suites, and no
specification becomes a standard without one, and any
developer using unvetted web resources gets fired.  Wow.
It sure seems easier to mend fences and work together.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Sumner Downey [mailto:Paul.Downey@whatfettle.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:52 PM
To: Bullard, Claude L (Len); 'Jim Rankin'; rjm@zenucom.com
Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Competing Specifications - A Good or Bad Thing?

I don't think all of these WS-* specs *are* composable.
I don't think the BIMers care two hoots if their specs work
with those from the SOFties. Actually i sometimes think
they'd prefer it if they didn't.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:clbullar@ingr.com]
Sent: 07 April 2004 14:10
To: 'Paul Sumner Downey'; 'Jim Rankin'; 'rjm@zenucom.com'
Cc: 'xml-dev@lists.xml.org'
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Competing Specifications - A Good or Bad Thing?

I don't think so.   If this is a composable set of specifications,
it is a matter of the programmer not paving their own roads to
hell by putting together components that don't work.   So the
WSIO profiles bear watching.
How coarse a loosely coupled chunk work?  In other words,
what combinations are failure prone?  Those will be questions
to ask.   We can make complex things work if they are composed
of simpler things that work.  Otherwise ALL of our cars would be
"unsafe at any speed".

From: Paul Sumner Downey [mailto:Paul.Downey@whatfettle.com]

a couple of years ago i sat down to read a 130+ page 
"design overview" which had the gall to quote "Occam's Razor"
as its design ethos.
It's a case of WS-Paving-The-Road-to-hell ...


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