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Please keep in mind when/if reading the presentation that it was mostly
the verbal comments that got people so stirred up.
Kind Regards,
Joe Chiusano
Booz | Allen | Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>
> Below I referenced Chris Ferris' presentation - here's a link that
> contains a PDF of it:
>
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrm/200404/msg00098.html
>
> Kind Regards,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] You call that a standard?
> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:53:45 -0400
> From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> Organization: Booz Allen Hamilton
> To: Michael Champion <mc@xegesis.org>
> CC: xml-dev <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
> References:
> <15725CF6AFE2F34DB8A5B4770B7334EE03F9F730@hq1.pcmail.ingr.com>
> <D78C41CE-99EB-11D8-9C3B-000A95CCC59E@xegesis.org>
>
> Michael Champion wrote:
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> >
> > > You like the credit for being the
> > > "co-inventor of XML" but don't accept any role in the damage done by
> > > the
> > > gutting of ISO and the norms of standardization that stood
> > > in your way.
> >
> > I wasn't around back then, but AFAIK, ISO committed seppuku as far as
> > "SGML for the Web" is concerned; Tim (Bray and/or Berners-Lee) didn't
> > gut it. :-)
> >
> > > "As the twig is bent...", Tim. One has to
> > > take the long view or short term gains in technical
> > > specification turn into big losses in cultural cooperation.
> > > Internet time is bullsh*t.
> >
> > It seems to me that one has to take the long AND the short view. Joint
> > R&D is a Good Thing; Recommendations about what appears to actually
> > work and would work better if the relatively small differences were
> > smoothed out are a Good Thing; and real honest International Standards
> > are a Good Thing, but they should not be promulgated until the
> > underlying specs have matured.
> >
> > So in my very humble opinion:
> >
> > -- IBEASoft should be more honest that what they are doing with the
> > WS-* specs are joint R&D projects, and should correct journalists who
> > call them "standards" or "recommendations" (except in the sense that
> > their marketing departments "recommend" the products built around
> > them).
>
> At the OASIS Symposium this past week, Chris Ferris of IBM gave a
> presentation comparing WS-ReliableMessaging (which I refer to as a
> "vendor specification" in my various talks) to OASIS WS-Reliability. I
> won't provide specific comments here - rather, I'll let the following
> e-mail from the OASIS WSRM TC to the OASIS TAB (Technical Advisory
> Board) speak for itself:
>
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrm/200404/msg00086.html
>
> My understanding of the outcome will be a response by the WSRM TC posted
> to the OASIS Symposium Web site.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
>
> > -- W3C and OASIS should likewise avoid calling what they do 'standards'
> > -- they are consortium recommendations, hopefully based on an analysis
> > of best practice and applied theory. (The Design by Committee stuff
> > like WXS or XQuery is pretty much equivalent to the joint R&D projects
> > as far as I'm concerned, and should have some designation other than
> > Recommendation until best practice is clear).
> >
> > -- The "real" standards organizations such as ISO, ITU, and CEFACT
> > should focus on sweeping up after the parade, and not pursuing pet
> > projects of key participants or pursuing essentially political goals .
> >
> > In other words, there is plenty of credit and blame to go around for
> > the current state of affairs, there's been a lot of innovation but no
> > organization or consortium has done all that great a job of following
> > their own guidelines, and plenty of soul searching by a lot of people
> > (not just stupid journalists) is needed to improve it.
> >
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> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
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