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   RE: [xml-dev] What niche is XQuery targeting?

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Considering that XQuery isn't done yet and even if it was isn't available by default in the XML libraries on the major software development platforms* I fail to see how one can fairly compare its adoption to XSLT at all. 
*Java, PHP, Perl, Python, .NET, C++, etc
Eat right, Exercise, Die anyway.   


From: Tom Bradford [mailto:tbradford@openlinksw.com]
Sent: Sun 12/12/2004 9:04 AM
To: Tim Bray
Cc: Daniela Florescu; 'XML Developers List'
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] What niche is XQuery targeting?

My guess is that the reason why XQuery hasn't yet taken the world by
storm is that it hasn't overwhelmingly made its case as to why it's
better than XSLT.  XSLT has been out there for a while, and has gone
through its rounds of refining the tools that back it up.  It may also
be somewhat confusing to the world why the same body pushes two
different languages for doing pretty much the same thing.  Some of us
know why, but most of us, searching for a solution to our problems at
hand, will undoubtedly find the number of specifications and choices

This has always been a problem with the XML Query activities at the W3C.
  It's probably complicated more by the looooooooooooooooooong process
of getting the final specifications out, and the perception by the world
at large that those specifications never seem to be 'quite finished'.

Personally, I like the declarative model, but the vast majority of
developers don't, which leaves me bewildered as to why XSLT still
remains more popular than XQuery.  Maybe it's just a matter of properly
marketing the two solutions to their target audiences instead of making
them available as a mish mosh of bloatage, and hoping that the consumer
will be able to sort it all out for themselves?

Tom Bradford - Virtuoso Technology Evangelist
OpenLink Software: http://www.openlinksw.com/
Personal Web Log:  http://www.tbradford.org/

Tim Bray wrote:
> On Dec 9, 2004, at 10:49 PM, Daniela Florescu wrote:
>>> No, for XQuery that's not obvious it all.
>> !?
>> It might not be obvious to you, but that was definitively clear for
>> my previous employer (BEA Systems) and more importantly
>> it is clear for my current employer (Oracle Corporation).
> Lots of things that big companies think are important turn out to be
> disappointing.  Your current employer, if I recall correctly, was at one
> point telling the world that video-on-demand was the key application on
> the "Information Superhighway", and has repeatedly decreed that the time
> for Network Computers had come.  And Oracle isn't especially stupid,
> it's just that sometimes big-company bets are wrong.  Think of OSI
> networking, Ada, the Fifth Generation project, Blackbird, Bob, and so on
> and so on.
> XQuery will be a success when people start using it in large numbers
> because it solves their problems.  Which could very well happen, but, as
> I said, it's not "obvious".  -Tim

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