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Yes, it's unfair to dump concepts from ongoing
research into a thread where some are fascinated
by their tools and others by what tools add
to a given design problem. I'm doing some
economics work right now. Explaining pointys
to MBAs is usually a waste of time. They want
to see a model that crunches numbers.
Markov: state predictability. Beats: in music,
where one places the beat determines the steps.
Combinations of beat and frequency make music
predictable. Big systems designs emphasize
predictability. Emergent systems model
techniques for working with the limits of
predictable behavior. Depending on which side
of the structuralist vs free trader polarity
one emphasizes, the tools and the quality of
predictability change. The same is true
of static and dynamic typing for roughly the
same reasons. Choose well for the design at hand.
Your posts make perfect sense to the guy in the
mirror. So do mine. It is easy to starve
gazing at one's own reflection.
len
From: Uche Ogbuji [mailto:uche.ogbuji@fourthought.com]
On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 17:28 -0600, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> Yes. Now we are getting into an interesting area
> of networks: free traders and structuralists.
> Walter Perry's POV is the perfect free trader POV.
> Schemas like GJXDM represent the structuralist POV.
> Structuralists want control. Free traders want
> opportunity.
Sorry, Len, but I think this thread ceased making sense to me about 3 of
your posts ago. Ducks? (I know of "duck typing" as an argument *in
favor* of dynamicism, and Google corroborates that impression), Beats?
Markov?
Whatever. I'm done with this unproductive thread. I suspect that as
Vladimir points out, a bunch of Java programmers and a Python programmer
are never likely to agree on the topic of typing. Heck, back in my many
days as a C++ programmer I would have disagreed with post-1996 Uche.
If someone starts actually discussing code or angle brackets again,
maybe I'll regain some interest, but for now, I have code *and* angle
brackets to write (tons of 'em). In my case, real work *is* more fun.
--
Uche Ogbuji Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net http://4Suite.org http://fourthought.com
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