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Currently I have neither gui nor plans for one
and every pattern that people will intuit would be
correct and clear and would exist. So it would
be nice for me if I could express the unordered
sets as a composition of the common properties plus
the specific ones. But I'm not arguing about
xml schema design and/or restrictions. Perhaps it is
better from the global picture to assume a given
ordering and simplify the task of the validator or
conform to a mathematical foundation or make
a compromise between different goals or whatever.
I was just asking if there is a way to achieve
that, not criticizing the lack of one. For me
it is clear that not fixating a particular
order would be desirable regarding my problem.
The big picture is another question. I could
express my loose restrictions elegantly and
briefly with relax ng, so perhaps it is not
really a matter of ordering being or not
relevant or desirable for humans or machines,
etc, all that in an abstract sense, but
instead of judiciously make a choice between
different solutions in particular scenarios.


> Piffle.
> The UI for data entry can very easily put the additions in the proper
> order.  From that point on, the XML is easily searchable and processable
> by humans and machines.  In the typical case, a document is written once
> and read many times.
> And I agree with the earlier poster who mentioned that if random order
> is allowed, people will intuit patterns that don't exist.
> I realize that I'm taking my life in my hands by disagreeing with Dr.
> Kay but as Tommy told us years ago, "When order doesn't matter, it
> matters."
> Steve
> Carlos Pita wrote:
> >In my case, the user will enter a subset from
> >a considerable number of properties and
> >order is not significative. So although
> >the properties are simple and intuitive per se
> >and the user has no no need to specify
> >or even know the entire set,
> Michael Kay wrote:
> >>
> >>My own recent experience of creating documents whose schema imposed an
> order
> >>that I found unnatural and impossible to remember was a very negative
> one.
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