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One other link....
http://www.cafeconleche.org/XOM/
This links to XOM, Elliotte Rusty Harold's OSS XML Object
Model/Processor. When studying this is may be easier to see areas in
which integration of XML-based software modeling can gain HUGE
benefits when designed from the ground up using an XML way of thinking
by someone who truly understands XML from and to the very core...
On 4/16/05, M. David Peterson <m.david.x2x2x@gmail.com> wrote:
> [got caught by the reply/reply-all plague again -- resend of original
> I just sent Leevi]
>
> You may want to take a look at cross over solutions such as eXist
>
> > http://exist.sourceforge.net/
>
> This is a native XML database. In essence it uses XML as the
> foundation and the optimizes the storage and retrieval, allowing you
> to utilize up and coming XML DB-centric Query technologies such as
> XQuery to retrieve your data.
>
> There are others. In fact SQL Server, Oracle, etc... already allow
> storage of native XML and while I can't speak to Oracle (although I
> understand both their here and now as well as their coming XML support
> is nothing less than marvelous so its worth a gander for sure) but as
> far as the Beta releases of SQL Server and the personalized MSDE both
> support a subset of XQuery support that you can play with right away.
>
> See the blogs of Mike Champion and Michael Rys for more details,
> http://blogs.msdn.com/mikechampion/ and
> http://blogs.msdn.com/mrys/default.aspx respectively and if I have my
> link correctly you can access the download for MSDE (actually its now
> called SQL Server 2005 Express) via >
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=62b348bb-0458-4203-bb03-8be49e16e6cd&DisplayLang=en
>
> > so now i am armed with this new information and clarity.. i have to ask
> > what is xml good for??.
>
> XML was never designed as a database replacement but instead as a
> cross-platform data exchange format. When you are speaking in terms
> of individual transactions the benefits of working with XML become
> very apparent. No open and closing of database connections, a human
> readable format that can be quickly and easily understood if designed
> correctly. A simple way to express structure and function that can be
> passed from platform to platform (think SOAP) without concern for how
> each platform handles the processing.... etc...
>
> Theres obviously a lot more than this but in my opinion the
> combination of a high powered DB backend in which can be easily
> queried (XQuery), the returned XML transformed (XSLT) into the proper
> context/format for the application in questions, using a path based
> references (XPath) to quickly and easily navigate through the XML
> infoset/dataset/whateveristhecorrectandpropertermfortoday, XML Schema
> and RelaxNG for data validation based on a predefined set of rules,
> etc... Huge benefit to using XML with the power of a heavy load
> bearing DB is a lethal combination of flexibility, speed, power, and
> ease of creating kick butt software like never before...
>
> Cheers :)
>
> <M:D/>
>
> On 4/16/05, Leevi Graham <leevi@theleviathanproject.com> wrote:
> > thanks for your response michael,
> >
> > it seems that after all my study and research into xml it is not the
> > right form of storgae for the application i wish to create. The info
> > would hopefully be accessed numerous times and as more people add their
> > business details the xml file will become bigger.. So i guess that a
> > relational database od the key afterall.
> >
> > so now i am armed with this new information and clarity.. i have to ask
> > what is xml good for??. If files sizes become a problem when accessing
> > the information repeatedly what is a real world situation where xml is
> > ideal? possibly storing seperate bits of data for occassional retrieval?
> >
> > i understand that xml is browser, computer, etc independent and that one
> > of its key bebefits in extenability but what good is that if you cant
> > share large amounts of data quickly and easily.. will native xml
> > databases solve this problem?
> >
> > as always one answer leads to a 1000 questions...
> >
> > cheers
> > Leevi Graham
> >
> > Michael Kay wrote:
> >
> > >There's no right answer to this: it depends how you want to use the data.
> > >Remember that an XML document is not a database. If the document is 1Gb big,
> > >then opening it (parsing it) every time you want to find out a single phone
> > >number is going to be very expensive. On the other hand, if it's 1Mb and the
> > >number of transactions is 1/hr rather than 1000/sec, then it may well be
> > >viable.
> > >
> > >Generally I would implement hierarchic ("contains") relationships like the
> > >one you describe by using the XML hierarchy, unless this makes the document
> > >impossibly big.
> > >
> > >If you decide to store the menus separately, either because two pubs can
> > >have the same menu, or for physical design reasons, there are many ways you
> > >can represent the relationships. If each menu is in a separate file then
> > >it's probably most flexible to use a URI. However, where objects have
> > >natural identifiers like part numbers or personnel numbers, then I prefer
> > >just to use that identifier, and leave the query logic to work out how to
> > >find the XML document for a given personnel number or part number. There are
> > >some people though who insist that the only respectable way to identify
> > >objects is by means of URIs.
> > >
> > >Michael Kay
> > >http://www.saxonica.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Leevi Graham [mailto:leevi@theleviathanproject.com]
> > >>Sent: 16 April 2005 03:41
> > >>To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> > >>Subject: [xml-dev] xml schema best practices question.. one
> > >>big xml or lots of little components?
> > >>
> > >>hi guys this is my first post to this dev-list... hopefully
> > >>it wont be
> > >>the last...
> > >>
> > >>i have a aquestion that has been bugging me for quite some time..
> > >>
> > >>i am attempting to create a business directory with xml as
> > >>data storage.
> > >>
> > >>i wish to create business elements that contain the obvious
> > >>information.. address, contact location etc...
> > >>
> > >>however the business type may change from retail to professional to
> > >>hosplitality....mainly hospitality like pubs and restaraunts..
> > >>
> > >>so finally here is my question:
> > >>
> > >>*lets say i have a business element that is a restaraunt and that
> > >>restauraunt obviously has a menu.. should i include the menu
> > >>as a child
> > >>element of the business or should i create a seperate xml file called
> > >>menus. Also if I do create a menus.xml file that contains the menus
> > >>seperatley how will i be able to tell which menu belongs to which
> > >>restaraunt..*
> > >>
> > >>things to consider my businesses.xml file may eventually contain many
> > >>businesses with many menus....
> > >>
> > >>hopefully someone can help
> > >>cheers
> > >>
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> XML & XML Transformations, C#, .NET, and Functional Languages Specialist
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