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Rex..
That's a very long waffle to be reading in one breath.. maybe
next time you need to insert some <coffeebreak/> symbols
so we know when we can a breather.. :-)
Is this like philosophy? a lesson from Solomon ? or a shot
at somebody...? or attempt to establish a new techno-cult?
I just had a bit of trouble trying to understand who is the
target audience.
Maybe it is just a very big mystery that mere mortals like
the rest of us simply can't fathom out during the course
of our working lives.
Oh well.. keep working on the spec/scriptures and let us
know when it's finished.. there's bound to be some true
believers out there somewhere. Maybe they are writing
their 'bible code' decoders for web-services specs as we
speak.. you just never know...
David
On Mon, 30 May 2005 9:17 am, Rex Brooks wrote:
> While this is true for the perpetual world of con artists and
> grifters, and those on whom they prey, and for the equally perpetual
> professional gadflies whose avocation appears to be to puncture the
> also perpetual puffed up human egotists who appear to be born
> "experts" on just about everything and whose love of their own voices
> vocally or verbally seems to know no bounds.
>
> However, there is a growing body of standards and practices for both
> loosely coupled but well-bound WSDL and SOAP based web services AND
> RESTful web services based largely on structural capabilities
> inherent in the current and future Web Services Architecture
> promulgated by the W3C.
>
> Please be aware when you toss out the makings for new assaults in
> this permathread that asking for or providing short answers for how
> to build, publish service descriptions, establish reliable
> connections for web service consumers and transact reliable, secure
> web service operations to deliver valuable, cost-worthy
> functionalities over the web is not wise and most likely to produce
> poor definitions and wider misinformation than we already have.
>
> Since I have been working for three and half years in the OASIS WSRP
> TC and for the last few months in the newly formed SOA Reference
> Model TC, I can vouch for how difficult it is to develop sound,
> reliable specifications, definitions and practices for this arena,
> especially since it is almost guaranteed that the future of computing
> will be dominated by the paradigms being developed in this field.
>
> Like it or lump it, you will be dealing with it, so spit into the
> wind at your own risk. However, it is always tremendous fun to watch
> while pedants and gurus expound on these topics.
>
> My own position is to attempt to help shape this new technology into
> more workable pathways and learn it from the inside out while it is
> possible to do so. Three years ago it was almost pure hype with a
> tiny proportion of real work and a few major vendors vying to "own"
> this space. Now it is due to become, in the world of public
> perception, the province of equally perpetual gurus who have an
> almost irresistible compulsion to evangelize in these early stages of
> development and who tend to become "bleeding deacons" decrying the
> loss of true vision and purpose as what they consider their
> brainchildren develop their own lifecycles apart from the
> predilections of early adopters and true believers alike.
>
> This opinion is based on observing similar processes over the course
> of the last 30 years of tech development..
>
> Ciao,
> Rex
>
> At 10:29 AM +0100 5/30/05, Michael Kay wrote:
> >OK, here's my answer. The term "web service" means anything the
> >speaker wants it to mean. Like "service oriented architecture" or
> >"native XML database" or "electronic business" it's a fuzzy term
> >that different people will define in different ways, depending on
> >what they are trying to sell you.
> >
> >Michael Kay
> ><http://www.saxonica.com/>http://www.saxonica.com/
> >
> >
> >From: Razvan MIHAIU [mailto:mihaiu@mihaiu.name]
> >Sent: 29 May 2005 17:43
> >To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> >Subject: Re: [xml-dev] What are web services ?
> >
> >
> > This is not that much off-topic. Please make the courage to answer
> > :-(
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >> Were can I find a good definition of this ? A web
> >>service must be based on SOAP in order to belong in this category ?
> >>A web service must use XML for transferring data (like SOAP) ? Can
> >>we have web services without WSDL and UDDI ?
> >>
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Razvan
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >Razvan
> >
> >SCJP preparation material:
> >
> ><http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035/index.html>www..mihaiu.
> >name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035/index.html
> > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test1/index.html>www.m
> >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test1/index.html
> > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test2/index.html>www.m
> >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test2/index.html
> > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test3/index.html>www.m
> >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test3/index.html
> > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test4/index.html>www.m
> >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test4/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >Razvan
> >
> >SCJP preparation material:
> >
> ><http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035/index.html>www..mihaiu.
> >name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035/index.html
> > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test1/index.html>www.m
> >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test1/index.html
> > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test2/index.html>www.m
> >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test2/index.html
> > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test3/index.html>www.m
> >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test3/index.html
> > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test4/index.html>www.m
> >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test4/index.html
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