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Title: RE: [xml-dev] What are web services
While this is true for the perpetual world of con artists and
grifters, and those on whom they prey, and for the equally perpetual
professional gadflies whose avocation appears to be to puncture the
also perpetual puffed up human egotists who appear to be born
"experts" on just about everything and whose love of their
own voices vocally or verbally seems to know no bounds.
However, there is a growing body of standards and practices for
both loosely coupled but well-bound WSDL and SOAP based web services
AND RESTful web services based largely on structural capabilities
inherent in the current and future Web Services Architecture
promulgated by the W3C.
Please be aware when you toss out the makings for new assaults in
this permathread that asking for or providing short answers for how to
build, publish service descriptions, establish reliable connections
for web service consumers and transact reliable, secure web service
operations to deliver valuable, cost-worthy functionalities over the
web is not wise and most likely to produce poor definitions and wider
misinformation than we already have.
Since I have been working for three and half years in the OASIS
WSRP TC and for the last few months in the newly formed SOA Reference
Model TC, I can vouch for how difficult it is to develop sound,
reliable specifications, definitions and practices for this arena,
especially since it is almost guaranteed that the future of computing
will be dominated by the paradigms being developed in this
Like it or lump it, you will be dealing with it, so spit into the
wind at your own risk. However, it is always tremendous fun to watch
while pedants and gurus expound on these topics.
My own position is to attempt to help shape this new technology
into more workable pathways and learn it from the inside out while it
is possible to do so. Three years ago it was almost pure hype with a
tiny proportion of real work and a few major vendors vying to
"own" this space. Now it is due to become, in the
world of public perception, the province of equally perpetual
gurus who have an almost irresistible compulsion to evangelize in these early stages of development and who
tend to become "bleeding deacons" decrying the loss of true
vision and purpose as what they consider their brainchildren develop
their own lifecycles apart from the predilections of early adopters
and true believers alike.
This opinion is based on observing similar processes over the
course of the last 30 years of tech development..
At 10:29 AM +0100 5/30/05, Michael Kay wrote:
OK, here's my answer. The term "web service"
means anything the speaker wants it to mean. Like "service
oriented architecture" or "native XML database" or
"electronic business" it's a fuzzy term that different
people will define in different ways, depending on what they are
trying to sell you.
From: Razvan MIHAIU
Sent: 29 May 2005 17:43
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] What are web services ?
This is not that much off-topic. Please make the
courage to answer :-(
Were can I find a good definition of this ? A web service must be
based on SOAP in order to belong in this category ? A web service must
use XML for transferring data (like SOAP) ? Can we have web services
without WSDL and UDDI ?
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